Compassion for Larry Craig?

[ChaliceThunder]

But this not hypocrisy.

It IS hypocrisy when one is using elected office to prevent equal rights to citizens who are gay people, when one is a closeted homo one's self.

It's the HEIGHT of hypocrisy.

 

[Zaac]

The gay men I know have not said they have done this. And since I am a woman, I don't go into men's restrooms.

At this point, with all the hoopla over Larry, they probably wouldn't tell you if they had.

From the things I hear my students say, I suspect many of them probably are having sex with lots of people. But I don't work in student life or residence life, and my focus is on my students' academic development, not their sex lives. We have other people on campus who are supposed to deal with personal lives of the students.

OP, if you asked the right folks, they could tell you where the spot is on campus. It's going on and the folks in Campus Security know where.

 

[Zaac]

I like your line about "no holes barred." You of course meant "no holds barred," but the way you wrote it, it seems to apply to this kind of sexual situation, with the "glory holes."

I did it on purpose. I thought it was kinda witty. Didn't know if anyone else would catch it though.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

It's just not something that everyone will talk about. But there apparently is a large part of the male gay community that knows that they can get "no strings attached sex" in public restrooms be they on university campuses, airports, malls, rest stops, etc.

You can go into public restrooms all over and see the "advertising."

And from folks that I have recently spoken with, this is also something that "straight" guys will do. It's anonymous, they ain't got to play any games or buy anyone dinner, and they don't have to call anyone.

Just no holes barred, noncommittal, no strings attached sex. I guess this is why you can find this behavior on just about any college campus. At that age, they don't care who they are getting their jollies with. They ae just trying to get them.

And non-college age folks in these communities know this too.

It's an entirely different subculture. And based upon what I've been told, I got to figure that every gay guy at some point has probably delved in some form of quickie sex like this.

Unfortunately, this is the world we live in.

What you describe is far from anything that can be called "the gay lifestyle."

And speak only for yourself when you are talking about delving into "quickies!"

 

[Gukkor]

It is not my place to judge him. What he did, if indeed the circumstances are as they have been reported (hey, wouldn't be the first time something like this ended up being very different from how it was portrayed by the media), was hypocritical and wrong, but I can't know what the man was/is going through or what the contents of his heart are.

 

[Zaac]

What you describe is far from anything that can be called "the gay lifestyle."

Did I say this was the gay lifestyle? It is indeed part of the gay subculture just like hooking up at a bar is a part of heterosexual subculture.

And speak only for yourself when you are talking about delving into "quickies!"

Why would I speak for myself in terms of gay quickies?

 

[jad123]

It IS hypocrisy when one is using elected office to prevent equal rights to citizens who are gay people, when one is a closeted homo one's self.

It's the HEIGHT of hypocrisy.

I do agree since he did this in the closet. What if he was to come out and say he was gay, thinks it is wrong, stays in office, and fights his agenda as before?

 

[Ohioprof]

I do agree since he did this in the closet. What if he was to come out and say he was gay, thinks it is wrong, stays in office, and fights his agenda as before?

What are you suggesting he will say that he thinks is wrong? Committing adultery? Of course he will say that is wrong, since it is, and most people agree that it is. Having sex with men?

I honestly don't know any gay people who say, "I am gay, and I believe that having sex with someone of the same sex is wrong." I know many gay people, though not the ones who have clandestine sex in restrooms. (Perhaps gay people who may think that same-sex sex is wrong are the same people who are having clandestine sex in restrooms!)

I could not picture Larry Craig saying, "I am gay, and I think that having sex with men is wrong." You just don't see people saying that.

Anyhow, it looks like no matter what he says, he has very little chance of keeping his seat.

 

[Zaac]

And the man probably doesn't consider himself to be gay since he has a wife and kids. But he certainly is at the very least a practicing bisexual.

 

[Ohioprof]

And the man probably doesn't consider himself to be gay since he has a wife and kids. But he certainly is at the very least a practicing bisexual.

I think that only Larry Craig can define himself, and he will have to come to grips, in some fashion, with his same-sex attractions and how those are part of who he is. If he doesn't, then he will continue to live a life lacking in integrity, a compartmentalized life in which one part of him denies the other. That way of living has failed him up to now.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Larry Craig is not gay, as he does not lead that lifestyle.

He may have given in to temptation and may have a homosexual orientation, but he is not gay and apparently has no intention of ever being so.

There are some personal things that others may wish to be their own private business. Others should respect that.

 

[jad123]

What are you suggesting he will say that he thinks is wrong? Committing adultery? Of course he will say that is wrong, since it is, and most people agree that it is. Having sex with men?

I honestly don't know any gay people who say, "I am gay, and I believe that having sex with someone of the same sex is wrong." I know many gay people, though not the ones who have clandestine sex in restrooms. (Perhaps gay people who may think that same-sex sex is wrong are the same people who are having clandestine sex in restrooms!)

I could not picture Larry Craig saying, "I am gay, and I think that having sex with men is wrong." You just don't see people saying that.

Anyhow, it looks like no matter what he says, he has very little chance of keeping his seat.

No I am not talking about adultery. I am talking about him coming out saying homosexuality is wrong. I am simply asking a hypothetical question. If he came out and said he was gay and that it is wrong in his eyes and still works against homosexuals on the political front is that being a hypocrite? And I have a friend who is gay. He believes in the eyes of God it is wrong and has vowed to be celibate. So there are homosexuals out there who believe it is wrong as well.

 

[BAFRIEND]

No I am not talking about adultery. I am talking about him coming out saying homosexuality is wrong. I am simply asking a hypothetical question. If he came out and said he was gay and that it is wrong in his eyes and still works against homosexuals on the political front is that being a hypocrite? And I have a friend who is gay. He believes in the eyes of God it is wrong and has vowed to be celibate. So there are homosexuals out there who believe it is wrong as well.

I have prayed for your friend.

 

[Ohioprof]

No I am not talking about adultery. I am talking about him coming out saying homosexuality is wrong. I am simply asking a hypothetical question. If he came out and said he was gay and that it is wrong in his eyes and still works against homosexuals on the political front is that being a hypocrite? And I have a friend who is gay. He believes in the eyes of God it is wrong and has vowed to be celibate. So there are homosexuals out there who believe it is wrong as well.

I don't personally know any gay people who say that having an intimate relationship is wrong. But maybe there are some, and they don't hang out with people like me. I know quite a few people who say they used to think that having a same-sex relationship was wrong, and so they tried to live in a heterosexual marriage and it ended in disaster, with much heartache for their opposite-sex spouse. The eventually realized they could not pretend to be heterosexual because they are gay, and they abandoned the belief that an intimate same-sex relationship is wrong.

Anyhow, while your scenario regarding Larry Craig is purely hypothetical, and highly unlikely, I would say that if he declared that he is gay, but he thinks that being gay is wrong and he is committed to being celibate, and he worked against civil rights measures for gay people, then I would say that he is not a hypocrite. I would say that he is working against the civil rights of human beings, and that is wrong. I don't think this would be hypocritical of him, just a bad choice, in my view.

And of course, saying that he is gay would put his wife in a terrible position, wouldn't it? She might want to get a divorce.

 

[Ohioprof]

I have prayed for your friend.

I would be willing to wager that your friend will eventually decide that he is not going to stay celibate and alone, and he will abandon the belief that having an intimate same-sex relationship is wrong.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I would be willing to wager that your friend will eventually decide that he is not going to stay celibate and alone, and he will abandon the belief that having an intimate same-sex relationship is wrong.

Thank you for attacking my prayer.

 

[HaloHope]

I would be willing to wager that your friend will eventually decide that he is not going to stay celibate and alone, and he will abandon the belief that having an intimate same-sex relationship is wrong.

It saddens me to hear stories like this really. If someone is celibate because they feel called to celibacy then I think thats fine, but when someone feels forced into celibacy because of beliefs relating to who they are it saddens me.

My own relationship has been one of the most wonderful, emotionally and spiritually fulfilling things in my life and I feel truly blessed with it. It saddens me that somebody would starve themselves from the love and company of another human even if they want it badly, all because of some Biblical interpretations.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Why would I speak for myself in terms of gay quickies?

Because YOU are the one who brought up the subject.

And since we don't fall into the category that you described, you must be describing first hand knowledge of your own? Just a guess.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I do agree since he did this in the closet. What if he was to come out and say he was gay, thinks it is wrong, stays in office, and fights his agenda as before?

Then he should get immediate psychotherapy.

 

[jad123]

I would be willing to wager that your friend will eventually decide that he is not going to stay celibate and alone, and he will abandon the belief that having an intimate same-sex relationship is wrong.

Almost 3 years now. And he is not alone. He has many friends and family.