Community of Christ

[A New Dawn]

Sorry, this is in the wrong section. I didn’t realize it was an old thread. Sorry I bumped it.

 

[RileyG]

Not really, but……

Before Joseph Smith was killed, he had designated his son to take over the church on several occasions, but he was only a teenager when JS died. When JS died, the church fractured in at least 16 factions with Brigham Young’s faction being the largest. Many of the factions reunited a few years later into what became the RLDS.

yes, Emma Smith refused to go west with BY, no, she wasn’t the driving force.

That's quite interesting history.

 

[A New Dawn]

That's quite interesting history.

If it means anything to this specific forum, shortly after JS started the church, a Campbellite minister (Sidney Rigdon) read the Book of Mormon and believed it and converted and brought his whole congregation with him into the early church. And his beliefs were what became the beliefs of the church, and indeed, they are what became the beliefs of the RLDS church (along with the Book of Mormon.)

 

[RileyG]

If it means anything to this specific forum, shortly after JS started the church, a Campbellite minister (Sidney Rigdon) read the Book of Mormon and believed it and converted and brought his whole congregation with him into the early church. And his beliefs were what became the beliefs of the church, and indeed, they are what became the beliefs of the RLDS church (along with the Book of Mormon.)

Interesting. I wasn't aware he had connections to the Campbellite movement.

 

[actionsub]

If it means anything to this specific forum, shortly after JS started the church, a Campbellite minister (Sidney Rigdon) read the Book of Mormon and believed it and converted and brought his whole congregation with him into the early church. And his beliefs were what became the beliefs of the church, and indeed, they are what became the beliefs of the RLDS church (along with the Book of Mormon.)

You beat me to it.

 

[RileyG]

You beat me to it.

You learn something new everyday!

I wonder if those in the Community of Christ today still consider themself a Mormon denomination or believe in the so called prophecy of Joseph Smith and Book of Mormon. Hmmm?

 

[actionsub]

You learn something new everyday!

I wonder if those in the Community of Christ today still consider themself a Mormon denomination or believe in the so called prophecy of Joseph Smith and Book of Mormon. Hmmm?

Yes, they still consider themselves part of the Mormon lineage.

 

[RileyG]

Yes, they still consider themselves part of the Mormon lineage.

Interesting!

 

[A New Dawn]

You learn something new everyday!

I wonder if those in the Community of Christ today still consider themself a Mormon denomination or believe in the so called prophecy of Joseph Smith and Book of Mormon. Hmmm?

The RLDS/Community of Christ has gone through several splits. As the church leadership took the church towards a more modern, liberal position, they first silenced those priesthood that remained conservative and true to Joseph Smith. Soon after that, feeling that they were no longer welcome, the majority of the conservative members left, splintering the church. They became known as Restorationists. That left the church to mostly leave Joseph Smith behind though there are 4 conservative, Joseph Smith believing congregations left in the church and because the church is almost destitute at this point in time, they tolerate it. When they made the decision that they didn’t want or need the conservatives they signed their own death warrant.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

If it means anything to this specific forum, shortly after JS started the church, a Campbellite minister (Sidney Rigdon) read the Book of Mormon and believed it and converted and brought his whole congregation with him into the early church. And his beliefs were what became the beliefs of the church, and indeed, they are what became the beliefs of the RLDS church (along with the Book of Mormon.)

No, it really doesn't mean anything to this specific forum because the Campbellite movement emerged from former Anglicans who associated very briefly early on with certain Presbyterians and Baptists and were not in any previous association with ............***cough***...............Mormonism.

Sidney Rigdon was a deviation and an emotionally confused idiot and shouldn't be seen as some larger inference about the Campbellite movement overall (which still to this day has nothing to do with Mormonism, in any shape or form. It never did. )

Did you catch this bit of historical fact, @RileyG ?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I understand they are a Latter Day Saint (aka Mormon) denomination that accepts the Trinity and considers the Book of Mormon inspired.

What are their basic beliefs and tenants? I know they do not have any creed.

Thanks

This thread is in the wrong place. It needs to be moved OUT of the "No Creed But Christ - Restoration Movement" section.

 

[RileyG]

This thread is in the wrong place. It needs to be moved OUT of the "No Creed But Christ - Restoration Movement" section.

It’s an old thread. Might as well be locked.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

It’s an old thread. Might as well be locked.

Maybe, but I want it to be clear that Mormonism has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Campbellite movement, which is what this particular section of CF is supposed to be "reserved" for in the same way the Catholic section is reserved for Catholics and Catholic-Only issues.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Maybe, but I want it to be clear that Mormonism has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Campbellite movement, which is what this particular section of CF is supposed to be "reserved" for in the same way the Catholic section is reserved for Catholics and Catholic-Only issues.

One can assume that this particular section of CF is reserved for the Campbellites, but, even then, it is not restricted to the any one of the various branches of that movement which range from liberal (Disciples of Christ) to hyper-conservative (certain Churches of Christ - non-instrumental).

Like it or not, in the early nineteenth century Mr. Campbell could not claim to have founded the only movement that strove to set itself apart from Christian denominationalism and restore the church to its New Testament purity. In Ireland and England there was a parallel movement which also rejected creeds and tried to follow Christ. They became known as the Plymouth Brethren and have as many, if not more divisions than the Campbellites.

The early version of the Mormon Church was called The Church of Christ and Joseph Smith was quite explicit that he had been given divine inspiration to restore the church to its New Testament purity. To this very day Mormon refer to this as The Restoration and believe that their church alone has been freed from creeds and clings to Jesus Christ.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

One can assume that this particular section of CF is reserved for the Campbellites, but, even then, it is not restricted to the any one of the various branches of that movement which range from liberal (Disciples of Christ) to hyper-conservative (certain Churches of Christ - non-instrumental).

Like it or not, in the early nineteenth century Mr. Campbell could not claim to have founded the only movement that strove to set itself apart from Christian denominationalism and restore the church to its New Testament purity. In Ireland and England there was a parallel movement which also rejected creeds and tried to follow Christ. They became known as the Plymouth Brethren and have as many, if not more divisions than the Campbellites.

The early version of the Mormon Church was called The Church of Christ and Joseph Smith was quite explicit that he had been given divine inspiration to restore the church to its New Testament purity. To this very day Mormon refer to this as The Restoration and believe that their church alone has been freed from creeds and clings to Jesus Christ.

Don't refute me on this. The Statement of Purpose for this particular section lays out quite briefly but specifically the borders of this section---which is solely the movement begun by the Campbells, not by Joseph Smith. Mormonism has nothing to do with it.

Get that straight!

 

[bbbbbbb]

Don't refute me on this. The Statement of Purpose for this particular section lays out quite briefly but specifically the borders of this section---which is solely the movement begun by the Campbells, not by Joseph Smith. Mormonism has nothing to do with it.

Get that straight!

Got it, buddy! Here is the statement for this section - Disciples of Christ, Church of Christ, and Independent Christian Churches

There is no doubt whatsoever that this was intended for Campbellites only. It is terribly unfortunate that there are multitudes of "Independent Christian Churches" which have no affinity with the Campbelitte denominations.

 

[A New Dawn]

No, it really doesn't mean anything to this specific forum because the Campbellite movement emerged from former Anglicans who associated very briefly early on with certain Presbyterians and Baptists and were not in any previous association with ............***cough***...............Mormonism.

Sidney Rigdon was a deviation and an emotionally confused idiot and shouldn't be seen as some larger inference about the Campbellite movement overall (which still to this day has nothing to do with Mormonism, in any shape or form. It never did. )

Did you catch this bit of historical fact, @RileyG ?

I understand everyone’s hatred for Mormonism, but Joseph Smith’s church wasn’t Mormonism as it became known after Brigham Young took it west. Prior to that it was a Trinitarian church (thanks to Sidney Rigdon) that also believed in the principle that God can still speak to us today. And I never suggested that there was a connection between the two churches except to point out that Sidney Rigdon shaped the beliefs of the church of Joseph Smith when it was in its infancy.

 

[RileyG]

Maybe, but I want it to be clear that Mormonism has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Campbellite movement, which is what this particular section of CF is supposed to be "reserved" for in the same way the Catholic section is reserved for Catholics and Catholic-Only issues.

I'm aware. I just wasn't when I posted this thread a few years ago. Is all.

 

[RileyG]

No, it really doesn't mean anything to this specific forum because the Campbellite movement emerged from former Anglicans who associated very briefly early on with certain Presbyterians and Baptists and were not in any previous association with ............***cough***...............Mormonism.

Sidney Rigdon was a deviation and an emotionally confused idiot and shouldn't be seen as some larger inference about the Campbellite movement overall (which still to this day has nothing to do with Mormonism, in any shape or form. It never did. )

Did you catch this bit of historical fact, @RileyG ?

Thank you for your knowledge. I appreciate it.

Again, when I posted this thread in 2022, I wasn't aware what this forum was used for.

That's all.