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Now theres one I totally agree with Prosperity. Good points.Prosperity said:
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Now theres one I totally agree with Prosperity. Good points.Prosperity said:Except that Jesus said that the creed was his flesh/body and the Word says that the breaking representative of Jesus body which is broken for us.
............. Through faith, we have the privilege of becoming one with Jesus by the eating of His flesh (leavened bread) and drinking of His blood (wine). This is the result of God's grace. You seem to miss the whole point of communion. It is our opportunity to perfect our oneness in Jesus with the Father so that we might become all that He is and gain access to all that He has. This includes the Father, Holy Ghost, eternal live, divine health, prosperity and all manner of God's blessings."
It is Jesus anointing I want.................Feeling good is fine, being happy is great and fellowshipping is wonderful, but not at the expense of the Truth.
Bobber said:Might I suggest a different take on communion? In 1 Corinthians 11 where it speaks of commuinion it speaks of it as the Lords supper....well hearing tapes about his subject through the years I recall many saying to the effect, "You know in that day they took it as a big banquet supper...and then they brought out the bread and the wine..."Well after many years I begain to ask the quesiton....yes they had it as a supper...and that's why they called it the Lords Supper....that's good...but why don't we do it that same way today?? And I got thinking about this after hearing some other teaching on it concerning having it as a supper....where everybody brings something....the world has the term pot luck? Well reading then through the verses about communion something made sense which many wonder
about....what did Paul mean when he stated that if we judge ourselves we will not be judged....Now I know that can have various true meanings....for sure....but in the actual text what was being referred to....I found this interesting......1 Corinthians 11: 21,22 its speaking about people who were coming to the Supper, and not understanding a certain important thing...they didn't want to wait until everyone got there....they were more concerned about filling their stomachs then what the Lords Supper really represented and that is the rich fellowship in the spirit we have between each other....then we hear the verses about if we judge ourselves...we will not be judged....and the chapter ends off what it was speaking about in the actual context....verse 34 states, Wherefore my brethren when you come
together to eat, tarry or wait for one another...And if any man hunger let him eat at home....that you come not together unto condemnation....so the thing people could come under judgement about was walking out of love towards brethren by not being nice and waiting for them....Now after the meal....you have the wine or grapejuice whatever one uses....and I believe they used the one loaf that is not being broken....one loaf....held up before them all....representing that we are one body....but the way many take communion is on a platter with all the bread broken already in pieces....well doesn't that signify division? Well, you take the one loaf hold it before all the people....you declare we are one.....and everyone starts feeling apart of the oneness....Christ is the head and we are the body...and we are one....then
you break the loaf and everyone eats a part of the oneness.....well the gathering of believers I go to now do it this way....im not saying doing it the other way is wrong doctrine or sin or whatever....but I suggest this way is a little more precious....we also know as well...whenever you might go to a pop luck supper at say your work....everybody brings something....what does it create? A feeling of belonging to the group....they begin to feel this meal is us.....we are one and we are sharing something of ourselves....well I do feel doing it this way in church does create a feeling of unity and harmony like the other way doesn't quite do the same....well that's my opinion anyway.... Have A Nice Day....
How about recovered alcoholics. I know a few that it's just too much of a temptation for them to take one drink of alcohol. And lets face it, temptation is temptation to the flesh. What if their faith isn't all that strong? I know a lady that when she takes one drink of alcohol, her white blood cell count goes above 20,000 and puts her into a drunken coma. She's allergic to alcohol.. I know. I hear the 'by Jesus stripes we are healed." but until they realize their healing, should people like this put themselves in jeopardy because their faith isn't where it should be, concerning their healing? Or should they not take communion at all because their faith isn't where it should be? I'm straining at knats, and swallowing camels I know. But I do know these cases.
Trish1947 said:How about recovered alcoholics. I'm straining at knats, and swallowing camels I know. But I do know these cases.
Prosperity said:
Maybe you should take your questions up with God in prayer. I'm quite certain He has the answers that you need.
Well that was easy to slide through. LOL. Prayers are already in progress for these ones that struggle. But our church would never place the added burden on them to drink fermented wine.
Communion is all about remembering Christ and what He did for us.
It is not about legalism and what symbols to use.
There are Christians all over the world who do not have access to the precise elements Prosperity is spouting they "must" use or else.
God is a good God. He is a God who sees the heart. If someone is stranded on an island and uses coconut milk and some leaves from a tree, it is the same in the eyes of God. If one only has a corn tortilla and some horchata, God will be pleased they are thinking of and honoring Him.
"Do this IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME" doesn't say "only if you use the precise ingredients".
Prosperity... I guess I just don't find taking communion the way Jesus instructed and exemplified as a burden
I know your intensions are probably well meant. But there are those that struggle with alcohol. And if they have chosen to abstain from it altogether to keep themselves from temptation, or keep them out of the hospital, this to me is becoming, God is not tolerant of those that struggle conversation."
It is all about that all have received Gods Mercy and Grace, not about legalistic observance.
And we are to bear one another's burdens. As long as you observe the meaning of communion, and God looks on the hearts of men. We need to be more understanding of those that do struggle, and love God just as much as anyone else.
Prosperity... It is the Gospel. I didn't write the Bible. I'm simply telling you what is says.
Some drink the wine, with no heart observance at all. Does it count more in the eyes of the Lord that they drank the wine, and didn't acknowledge the blood and body of the Lord from the heart?
Prosperity....I believe that if you want God's best, then you need to obey his word. Obedience is not legalism. Obedience is an act of love, which is exactly what Jesus called it.
This is works based belief. If you think that drinking wine, instead of grape juice helps you on receiving God best, I totally disagree with you.
.Receiving His best is based totally on what His Son did for us. And the believing in the completed work of Christ, and belief in the promises. Not because you chose to drink wine
We believe his Word according to the promises.
You are mixing apples and oranges again.I have been receiving the best of God's blessings for 49 years, grape and all, because He tells us that it's only through His Sons appropriation for us by the receiving the gift of His righteousness, by faith, that was imputed to us by Him, when we believed, and of belief in the promises.
Prosperity said:Please provide scriptural support.
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