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Communion in the hand

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Not all churches have this, including my parish church.
You are kidding?

What do they do to wash out the vessels then? Take them outside? :confused:

My priest said it is an absolute must.
 
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Well you were told wrong.
Yep. In a Church there must be one as I was taught. Should Mass be held elsewhere the vessels have to be washed where anything remaining goes into the ground. Not the sewer.
 
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A sacrarium is sometimes called a piscina, and occasionally it's an unobtrusive small conical metal depression adjacent to a normal sink, easy to overlook. (The three Episcopal parishes, in two dioceses, we've been a part of all had them.)
 
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You are kidding?

What do they do to wash out the vessels then? Take them outside? :confused:

Okay. From when I was extraordinary minister, the priest would purify his chalice, but that of course left the other vessels used for the Precious Blood--four to six. We'd line them up, put a little water in one, swirl it around so that the water reaches all areas of the vessel, then pour it into the next vessel, then do the same for all the vessels. We'd drink the water of the last vessel.

At the military chapel there were only two vessels (besides the priest's chalice--which he purifies) so we were able to do this "purifying" in full view of the congregation.

In neither place was there a sacarium. Like I said, if the civilian parish had one at one time, it was taken out with the remodel. (A lot of things were lost with what people thought Vatican II said.)
 
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Okay. From when I was extraordinary minister, the priest would purify his chalice, but that of course left the other vessels used for the Precious Blood--four to six. We'd line them up, put a little water in one, swirl it around so that the water reaches all areas of the vessel, then pour it into the next vessel, then do the same for all the vessels. We'd drink the water of the last vessel.

At the military chapel there were only two vessels (besides the priest's chalice--which he purifies) so we were able to do this "purifying" in full view of the congregation.

It seems the chaplin in the military would try to find a way to provide the Eucharist in time of war and when no designated building was available and so this drinking the water seems to make sense.
 
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Oh, about the water from the linens, they are done by hand by a volunteer who takes them home to do and disposes of the water from them in her garden.

Everything is done properly. None goes into a sewer. (Wasn't too long ago there weren't sewers and some places around here still don't have any.)

Edit: These instructions also seem to note that not every Catholic church building has a sacrarium:

If your church does not have a sacrarium ( a sink with a water supply that goes directly into the ground), you can use a garden hose or a special basin.

Read more: How to Wash Altar Cloths | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4797225_wash-altar-cloths.html#ixzz192Q3ikq3
 
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Shouldn't the ego become attached to something outside of itself--namely God? That's what the word religion is derived from--man being reconnected to God. That's what religious worship and traditions are for--the connection to God and to religion are closely intertwined for this purpose. I think that is why so many radical changes (granted, to changeable things) in such a short time were also accompanied by so many leaving the clerical state, seminaries, and parish churches (with hindsight it is of coruse easier to see this effect). It's probably why this phenomenon is common among those who prefer the EF and all that goes with it.

Obviously, if someone is only partaking of them for show, then that is no good, but it's difficult to judge whether that is the case.


The ego isn't the person, but the false self-image created through the years in order to protect the self. Its what we want the world to see when they look at us, because we are insecure with our true being. The ego will then attach itself to identities that it wants to project to the world. For some, its religion as in Catholicism. The ego is very defensive and any attack on what the ego has attached itself to, will be met with offensiveness reactions. You'll see it all over the web in religious forums.

When a person receives the gift of faith through the revelation of Jesus Christ, they are stripped of the ego because God only knows the true person He created.

Its why St. John of the Cross and other great doctors of the Church, that that we must detach ourselves from ego driven agendas in order to be one with Christ as we truly are.

In other words, we come to know ourselves.

Self-knowledge is a very important part of spiritual growth, and as long as the ego continues to create masks, spiritual growth is stunted. It
takes time and work, but its through the transforming grace given to us in Christ, that makes it happen.

For some people, its instant, others it takes a life-time.

Jim
 
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It is against the rubrics from what I have read. :cool:

CAF lifted the ban on holding hands during the Lord's Prayer and almost immediately, a series of threads were opened to protest against it.


Jim
 
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CAF lifted the ban on holding hands during the Lord's Prayer and almost immediately, a series of threads were opened to protest against it.


Jim

It was two years ago that I had debates on this and found a document of the rubrics. The part I recall had to do with the laity and it was not a requirement but more like a suggestion. I think the main issue was that when we pray the Our Father that it is an individual prayer and not a group prayer and that by holding hands it could become a group prayer.

But, it was two years ago and I am on a different laptop that has been rebuilt twice. I do not have my old material or links.

I did visit CAF and saw what you have described and read through arguments about the GRIM. But, that was more for my knowledge and recollection than to come back here and argue it. Besides, I got the distinct impression that you really had no desire to debate it. And it would be off topic for this thread and I would need a new thread. This close to Christ's Mass I have no desire for debate.

So, if everyone will excuse this post, I will turn back to the previous channel of Communion in hand.

BTW, in case someone missed it, I prefer Communion on the tongue. :cool:
 
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CAF lifted the ban on holding hands during the Lord's Prayer and almost immediately, a series of threads were opened to protest against it.

Jim, you are talking CAF. CAF and posters arguments are not the same thing as authorized instructions of the GIRM. The GIRM doesn't mention it in the liturgy either. Just follow the instructions of the GIRM and you'll be fine.
 
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The norm (99%) is to receive in the hand.

We don't go by what the majority of folks in a certain area do--we go by what the Vatican says is the "norm". Reception of Communion worldwide is on-the-tongue, but permission for in-the-hand has been granted to a few places. It's a choice. The Communicant can choose which way he/she wants in those places.
 
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Jim, you are talking CAF. CAF and posters arguments are not the same thing as authorized instructions of the GIRM. The GIRM doesn't mention it in the liturgy either. Just follow the instructions of the GIRM and you'll be fine.


I merely addressed Jack's question about CAF where he had thought the subject was prohibited there.

Jim
 
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