Common theme: The battle lines come down to science verses Scripture inerrancy.

[mikedsjr]

From what i read in the forums and what i see in society, the real battle line is splitting up Truth into facts and values. By doing this you split Scripture into what people consider facts based on science and what is just valued. And if it is just valued, then people must live inconsistent lives to believe in the risen Savior. Once a Christian decides where the facts come from, begins to determine which parts of Scripture they begin to place into different categories besides truth. They may be valued still, but a Christian who holds to the inerrancy of Scripture is looked down upon as self-righteous for not towing the scientific line.

Those who wish to say, "science has determined how life has begun, how old the universe is, where man came from, and it doesn't line up with Scripture" are not supporting science. They are supporting empirical science. Empirical science must reject miracles at all cost. Everything must be explained. I believe in science teaches us about our world. I reject empirical science which is really dictated by atheist hatred for religion. They have split science and religion and i reject that. They have rejected science and Scripture go hand in hand. If science can't explain it, doesn't equate to Scripture is false in areas. It just means Science hasn't come of age.

I don't believe all YECs have their heads on right. Many are a couple of screws away from losing them all. Yet despite my OEC stance, I would never discount the possibility God could stage everything to fool the sinful part of man. I don't believe the flood was a world wide flood and covered every moutain top, including Mount Everst. But I also believe God could raise Mount Everest in a split second without leaving a evidence. But i don't believe that is what happened.

Scripture isn't a science book. Scripture DOES proclaim truth. Jesus spoke of a real Moses. Jesus spoke of the real events. Paul spoke of these real events. Hebrews speaks of these real events. Luke speaks of these people as real.

During the days of Peleg the earth divided. it did.
Adam was formed from the dust.
Eve was formed from a rib of Adam.
Adam and Eve eating the fruit in the garden of Eden was a real event.

Scripture says so. Thus God said so.

To me, this is a battleline. Not for hateful speech. Not for anger. Not to fight with guns or fists. This is the persuasion battleline. And the world is invading the church's mind and seducing it with empiricism. Scripture is without errors and it is scary seeing Christians claiming there are.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

Only a sith deals in absolutes........

 

[Saricharity]

It's no wonder why children and teenagers can be so confused about science and religion. The adults can't even agree.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

I reject empirical science which is really dictated by atheist hatred for religion.

My dear readers,

Before they were run out of the Church, either actively or passively, most scientists were Christians who practiced empirical science. Moreover, empirical science is the foundation of modern medicine. Is your primary care physician an atheist who hates religion?

They have split science and religion and i reject that. They have rejected science and Scripture go hand in hand.

It is the Christians, not the scientists, who have split religion and science to the point of hostility through their ignorance and intolerance of science.

If science can't explain it, doesn't equate to Scripture is false in areas. It just means Science hasn't come of age.

Who has not grown up? The scientist—or the Christian? Who is denying reality? The scientist—or the Christian? Science does not deny the reality of miracles, it leaves them alone—for the individual to either believe or not believe.

 

[Nord Christian]

Empiracle science is a joke. They're telling people what they want them to believe. They throw out unproven theories like their theory of evolution
and climate change. These people are just men and women who want
to play God. A good number of them atheists themselves.

It's not about faith anymore with the majority of lost society. Science has replaced religious faith. And millions believe whatever they watch on television. Ohh, if Bill Nye said it, it's gotta be true! lol

 

[ALoveDivine]

The same Almighty God who gave us the universe also gave us the bible. The two revelations do not and cannot contradict, only our understanding is fallible. So when asking about something, say the theory of evolution, we should do two things.

First, look at the scientific evidence. Not from just one point of view but from a broad view taking into account the actual data and different perspectives on that data. Avoid confirmation bias, meaning don't go out trying to find evidence to support your presuppositions. This is what a lot of YEC's do, thinking that going on AIG's website is equivalent to actually learning about evolution.

Second, look at the scriptures with a solid hermeutic. What genre could this particular portion of scripture be? Historical record, allegory, parable, homily, etc.

So, if the evidence is objectively leading to the conclusion that, say, the earth is very old, we ought to take this into account when considering how we understand the relevant portions of scripture. Why? Because God is the author of both nature and scripture. If nature reveals an old age under empirical study, then an interpretation of scripture that contradicts this would be incorrect. God gave us brains, let's not be afraid to use them!

 

[Bluelion]

Only a sith deals in absolutes........

this isn't star wars

 

[Bluelion]

My dear readers,

Before they were run out of the Church, either actively or passively, most scientists were Christians who practiced empirical science. Moreover, empirical science is the foundation of modern medicine. Is your primary care physician an atheist who hates religion?



It is the Christians, not the scientists, who have split religion and science to the point of hostility through their ignorance and intolerance of science.



Who has not grown up? The scientist—or the Christian? Who is denying reality? The scientist—or the Christian? Science does not deny the reality of miracles, it leaves them alone—for the individual to either believe or not believe.

Science has not found a way to attack miracles, they are things which occur which are impossible according to science, but you see none of these things are impossible to me. For I know God to be real and able to do anything, and expect there are many things I don't know, but science does deny them they say they are impossible, yet they occur. The Judgement of sciences is it is not possible. So your comment is not true.

Imagine how rich I am. My reality has no limits, there is literally nothing i can not accomplish with God working through me. Can a person fly, sure by Gods grace, can God created a New Heaven on earth? In a second. Can God create another race in the future, sure. will I travel to other planets, sure if i want. Will I die? Never. Will I ever suffer after this place? Never again.

I am rich, look at my world, i am a child, a child of God.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

Science has not found a way to attack miracles, they are things which occur which are impossible according to science, but you see none of these things are impossible to me. For I know God to be real and able to do anything, and expect there are many things I don't know, but science does deny them they say they are impossible, yet they occur. The Judgement of sciences is it is not possible. So your comment is not true.

Science, because of its very nature, can neither affirm nor deny miracles.

 

[Dkh587]

My personal viewpoint is that science shows how nature is made and it shows how God scientifically designed humans, animals, plants etc

Science does not tell me anything except how everything is designed, whether it be chemically or even down to the DNA. I hope I make sense

God bless