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Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Usage?

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There are many examples of synecdoche in the Scriptures.

So when you get the time, how about providing 3 of those many examples which show that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be involved.
 
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So when you get the time, how about providing 3 of those many examples which show that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be involved.

You are the one challenging the established timeline. How about you do the work instead?
 
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You are the one challenging the established timeline.


I'm not. I'm simply asking anyone who believes that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week, and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body, and who tries to explain the lack of a third night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period, if they might provide examples to support their assertion of commonality?
 
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I'm not. I'm simply asking anyone who believes that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week, and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body, and who tries to explain the lack of a third night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period, if they might provide examples to support their assertion of commonality?

You probably cannot find specific examples in Scripture itself but you would have to look at other Jewish sources such as the Talmud.

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practised sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who can say anything in his favour, let him come forward and plead on his behalf." But since nothing was brought forward in his favour he was hanged on the eve of the Passover.

— Sanhedrin 43a, Babylonian Talmud (Soncino Edition)

Indeed, later rabbinic tradition held that if Passover fell on a Saturday that it overrode the Sabbath laws (so you could do the work needed to kill and eat the Passover lamb, e.g.).

The day that is stated is Paraskevi in Greek, the day of preparation. This is the actual word that is still used for Friday in Greek in the 21st century.

“Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the sepulcher” (Matt. 28:1). If there was a Wednesday crucifixion, the women going to the tomb would have been able to go on Thursday to anoint the body, and not have to wait until Sunday. There would not have been the rush to remove the bodies from the crosses according to the Jewish authorities and a hurried burial by Joseph and Zacheus.

I also provided the highlight of each day from Sunday to Thursday and demonstrated that a Wednesday crucifixion CANNOT take place because the Gospels state that Jesus returned to Bethany each evening.

So far, you refuse to accept that the Jews did use an inclusive count of three days. Although if you want to get really technical, there was the daytime darkness recorded during the hours of the cross, night 1. There was the regular fall of night on Friday, night 2. And finally the fall of night on the Sabbath, night 3. There, I solved it for you and I'm done with this discussion
 
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re: "So far, you refuse to accept that the Jews did use an inclusive count of three days."

I haven't and that would be an issue for a different topic.



re: "Although if you want to get really technical, there was the daytime darkness recorded during the hours of the cross, night 1."

This topic is directed to those who think the 3 days and 3 nights in the "heart of the earth" is referring to the Messiah's time in the tomb or at the earliest to the time when His spirit left His body.



re: "There was the regular fall of night on Friday, night 2."

Actually, the night had been over some 9 hours by the time of the Messiah's death.
 
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And again, that someone needs to be someone who thinks that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur and who has examples to support that assertion of commonality.
 
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