commandments of men

[pablosrun]

If the seventh day is saturday and we rest on sunday and the scriptures don't show a change of the day anywhere are we not following a commandment of men?

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

 

[OhhJim]

Good point.

 

[andiesmama]

If the seventh day is saturday and we rest on sunday and the scriptures don't show a change of the day anywhere are we not following a commandment of men?

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Actually, some of us rest on Saturday!! lol (meaning my family!)

 

[Dad Ernie]

If the seventh day is saturday and we rest on sunday and the scriptures don't show a change of the day anywhere are we not following a commandment of men?

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Greetings Pablosrun,

Colossians 2:16-7 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Heb 4:1-11 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.


The original day of Sabbath was the Lord's. A day for which He rested. He later instituted this "rest" for Israel. This is the day(s) created by God to give man "rest from all his labors". Yet because of "unbelief", many did not "enter into that rest". Thus another day was set, which is called the Lord's day, or even, if you can accept it, "The Day of the Lord." We who believe now enter into that "rest". It is not an arbitrary day, but it is EVERY DAY that we live. We arise, go to prayer, read our Bible, and proceed to do the works which God has given us to do - IN THE NAME OF CHRIST.

If you feel more comfortable, according to your faith, to worship on Saturday, that is fine, if on Sunday, that is fine too, or even on Monday or Wednesday you want to set aside a special time of devotion to Christ where you can meet with other Christians and share in HIS REST, then that is great too. But remember that EVERY DAY should be as a Day unto the Lord. A Holy Sabbath - if you will.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

 

[pablosrun]

In colossians 2 the only sabbaths back then were 7th day sabbaths saturday,therefore don't let any one judge you on which feast day or holy day you regard or which 7th day sabbath you regard...and Hebrews chapter 4 says there remains a 7th day rest unto the people that GOD instituted and if JESUS had given us another day to rest on he would have spoken of another day.. In acts paul went into the synagogue on sabbath,the seventh day sabbath all through the book and this is after JESUS ascended....
acts13:14,42,44 15:21 18:4

 

[Dad Ernie]

In colossians 2 the only sabbaths back then were 7th day sabbaths saturday,therefore don't let any one judge you on which feast day or holy day you regard or which 7th day sabbath you regard...and Hebrews chapter 4 says there remains a 7th day rest unto the people that GOD instituted and if JESUS had given us another day to rest on he would have spoken of another day.. In acts paul went into the synagogue on sabbath,the seventh day sabbath all through the book and this is after JESUS ascended....
acts13:14,42,44 15:21 18:4

Greetings Pallosrun,

You do not know your Bible history. Get a good Bible Encylcopedia and look up the Sabbath. There were many more Sabbaths, designated as a "day of rest", than what YOU know about.

Again, it was only a type of the foreshadowed "rest in Christ" we now have. That is why this commandment is never repeated in the NT.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

 

[NumberOneSon]

Well said, Dad.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[pablosrun]

The forth commandmentis repeated in hebrews chpt 4 there remaineth a rest. I believe you interpret Hebrews 4 incorrectly, if the day was changed Jesus would have spoken of another day,and as far as other rest days I did write holy days and feast days..

 

[Dad Ernie]

The forth commandmentis repeated in hebrews chpt 4 there remaineth a rest. I believe you interpret Hebrews 4 incorrectly, if the day was changed Jesus would have spoken of another day,and as far as other rest days I did write holy days and feast days..

Greetings Pablosrun,

There is a saying: The New (NT) is in the Old (OT) concealed, the Old is in the New revealed. This is an accurate saying and it is the New Testament which fully reveals Jesus Christ and God's plan for salvation. So if you can understand this, please show me in the NT where it is commanded that we MUST observe the Sabbath, the 7th day, as our day of rest.

Thank you and God Bless,

Dad Ernie

 

[pablosrun]

John 14:15 If you love me Keep my commandments
James 2:10 for whosoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one point he is guilty of all .....and then goes on to talk about adultery which is part of the ten commandments so if you dont keep the 7th day sabbath you have broken gods law and sin is transgression of the law,therfore you have un-repented sin don't you? REV. 22:14blessed are they that do his(GODS) commands that they may have right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates of the city.

 

[pablosrun]

also Gods laws have not changed MAL 3:6 I am the Lord your God I change not!!!!

 

[OhhJim]

There is also a saying that says the OT is different from the NT.

This is an accurate saying.

I think I'll start my own religion, made up of sayings you make up yourself on the spur of the moment. Or, I could just believe the Bible means what it says, as the Holy Spirit reveals. That's His job, after all.

 

[bobbichan]

I'm with others who have said that Saturday is the true Sabbath. I've been debating it personally for awhile now, and I've prayed about it... and I've realized that it's true... I found a really neat study on this. I encourage you guys to take a look. (Actually the whole site is interesting as it goes along exactly with what I've been discovering in my own independant studies of just using God's word and history to interpret it. So I'm glad that I'm not alone on this.)

http://prophecycode.com/additional-study.asp?esn=649&mn=11

This makes perfect sense to me.

 

[2Timothy2]

also Gods laws have not changed MAL 3:6 I am the Lord your God I change not!!!!

Do you sacrifice bulls and goats? Do you stone those who transgress, according to the law? Do you keep all the feasts?

The sabbath rest in Heb. 4 is speaking of our rest in Christ, not a certain day of the week. We are in a new covenant, testated by the shead blood of Christ. To foist the old law upon us is to make His death of no effect. This is Paul's argument in Galatians. The early church did meet on the first day of the week, this is where we get our practice. Further, the whole sabboth model is a model of 6 on 1 off, as can be seen for the sabbath for the land. Man was not made for the sabbath, rather, the sabbath was made for man.

That's my take, anyway.

 

[Veritas]

I'm with others who have said that Saturday is the true Sabbath. I've been debating it personally for awhile now, and I've prayed about it... and I've realized that it's true... I found a really neat study on this. I encourage you guys to take a look. (Actually the whole site is interesting as it goes along exactly with what I've been discovering in my own independant studies of just using God's word and history to interpret it. So I'm glad that I'm not alone on this.)

http://prophecycode.com/additional-study.asp?esn=649&mn=11

This makes perfect sense to me.

Are you aware that the above link is to the "Amazing Facts" seminar which is an anti-Catholic organization? It's part of the SDA church, although it's difficult to see that from their materials since they don't like to mention it.

 

[bobbichan]

Yes I am fully aware of that. The speaker has mentioned several times that he does not hate Catholic believers... nor do I. I just happen to hold the historic viewpoint of end-times theology. I won't debate or discuss it here... but it's all to evident to me. That's all I'm going to say.

Blessings

 

[Living Stone]

Do you sacrifice bulls and goats? Do you stone those who transgress, according to the law? Do you keep all the feasts?

That was my first thought too.

Some people dont seem to want to really look hard at what theyre saying.
If we're still under the unchanging law, then why arent these people doing just what you asked?

 

[Bruce101]

The Sabbath is Saturday. That has never been officially changed except by Edict of Constatine, at the Nicean Council. The main reasons given for the change were because the Jews do that, so we won't.
The apostles met immediately after Sabbath, called havdalah, Saturday night.
And they would not collect money on the Sabbath, because this was against Torah, so they met at havdalah.
However, thankfully we live in grace. This not a license to sin, but if some are wrong about Sabbath, they are still "saved".
When Paul was writing to those regarding new moons and holy days, he was talking about their customs, not the customs of the Jews, because they were Gentiles.

Bruce

Bruce

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

If the seventh day is saturday and we rest on sunday and the scriptures don't show a change of the day anywhere are we not following a commandment of men?

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Nope, you are following the commandements of men given the authority by God, which is very different than the commandments of plain men.

Matt. 16:19 - Jesus gives Peter the "keys of the kingdom of heaven." While most Protestants argue that the kingdom of heaven Jesus was talking about is the eternal state of glory (as if Peter is up in heaven letting people in), the kingdom of heaven Jesus is speaking of actually refers to the Church on earth. In using the term "keys," Jesus was referencing Isaiah 22 (which is the only place in the Bible where keys are used in the context of a kingdom).

Isaiah 22:22 - in the old Davidic kingdom, there were royal ministers who conducted the liturgical worship and bound the people in teaching and doctrine. But there was also a Prime Minister or chief steward of the kingdom who held the keys. Jesus gives Peter these keys to His earthly kingdom, the Church. This representative has decision-making authority over the people - when he shuts, no one opens. See also Job 12:14.

Rev. 1:18; 3:7; 9:1; 20:1 - Jesus' "keys" undeniably represent authority. By using the word "keys," Jesus gives Peter authority on earth over the new Davidic kingdom, and this was not seriously questioned by anyone until the Protestant reformation 1,500 years later after Peter’s investiture.

Matt. 16:19 - whatever Peter binds or looses on earth is bound or loosed in heaven / when the Prime Minister to the King opens, no one shuts. This "binding and loosing" authority allows the keeper of the keys to establish "halakah," or rules of conduct for the members of the kingdom he serves. Peter's "keys" fit into the "gates" of Hades which also represent Peter’s pastoral authority over souls.

 

[12volt_man]

If the seventh day is saturday and we rest on sunday and the scriptures don't show a change of the day anywhere are we not following a commandment of men?

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If Christ has become our Sabbath, and you're still observing a day of the week as the Sabbath, aren't you doing the same thing?