Do you have a website in mind where one can check out Hillel's work?Gxg (G²);62198017 said:
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Do you have a website in mind where one can check out Hillel's work?Gxg (G²);62198017 said:Many was noted in what has been discussed before on other discussions - and as Hililel was one of the main ones with many under scribes/leaders under him who followed Yeshua and taught things echoed in his teaching, it was why I asked directly if you investigated him at all. Have you do so? Whether or not you've done so is an indicator in whether you're really wanting addressment - or wanting to do more than what you're willing to do on a basic level. And if you've not taken time to even research Hiliel's school as a first step, one will assume there's little concern on actually addressing what was said in Judaism by other rabbis on Yeshua. It's a very basic thing to do if having serious concern on the issue and wanting real study - so as said before, show concern in dealing with the small things first ..and then we'll go from there in-depth since it will be confirmed you're actually concerned. That much has been done by others multiple times - and for someone of your intelligence, I'm certain you are capable of doing the same
Gxg is not around, is he? Haven't seen any posts by him for ages.
As a matter of fact, no.
Let's let this one fade away.
That's correct. You might be surprised at how many people don't know this, and assume the Noachide movement-religion is an ancient one. As you have correctly pointed out, it isn't.I would take issue with referencing Noahide laws with the Jerusalem Council as Noahide did not exist as a separate organization with laws until the 1200's
Am I misunderstanding you, or are you suggesting that Hillel was a follower of Jesus? The reason I ask is because that's absolutely impossible.Gxg (G²);62198017 said:Many was noted in what has been discussed before on other discussions - and as Hililel was one of the main ones with many under scribes/leaders under him who followed Yeshua and taught things echoed in his teaching, it was why I asked directly if you investigated him at all.
Am I misunderstanding you, or are you suggesting that Hillel was a follower of Jesus? The reason I ask is because that's absolutely impossible.
Exactly. Which is why I asked. Had Hillel been alive in Jesus' day, Jesus would have been the student, and Hillel the teacher. As appalling as it may seem to almost all Christians, Jesus was indeed a Pharisee. He was definitely a disciple of Yochanan during "the silent years" just prior to his ministry.Since Hillel died circa 10CE of course such is impossible, agreed.
Exactly. Which is why I asked. Had Hillel been alive in Jesus' day, Jesus would have been the student, and Hillel the teacher. As appalling as it may seem to almost all Christians, Jesus was indeed a Pharisee. He was definitely a disciple of Yochanan during "the silent years" just prior to his ministry.
Just caught this ( as I saw the thread was brought up from earlier this year) - and IMHO, misunderstanding I think is occurring - as I was not of the mindset that Hillel was a follower of Yeshua. What was said was that there were others within the school of Hiliel (i.e. his teachings, philosophies, ideals) who later came to follow Yeshua in light of how Yeshua taught many things predominately in line with the camp of Hiliel - as opposed to the school of Shammai.Am I misunderstanding you, or are you suggesting that Hillel was a follower of Jesus? The reason I ask is because that's absolutely impossible.
Saw this from earlier and never got to address it. But on the issue, for more, one can go here, here or to any of the following (as much of it deals with his direct quotations/writings and what other rabbis have said on it):Do you have a website in mind where one can check out Hillel's work?
That is simply not true. All Torah observant Jews who practice Judaism "follow religious leaders." Without exception.First, Yeshua did not follow any religious leader.
No comment on the word incarnate hocus-pocus, I'm almost positive I would break the rules somehow. But surely Jesus learned Torah.Why would he need anyone's opinion on scripture when he is the word incarnate?
You make that sound so trivial...lolHillel is just one in a line of pharisees that built off the work of others.
First of all, I never said he was a Pharisee. Secondly, what makes you think priests cannot be Pharisees? lolWhat makes you think that Yochanan was a pharisee? He was a priest, not a rabbi.
Okay, I'm following you now, and I couldn't agree more.Gxg (G²);62743977 said:Just caught this ( as I saw the thread was brought up from earlier this year) - and IMHO, misunderstanding I think is occurring - as I was not of the mindset that Hillel was a follower of Yeshua. What was said was that there were others within the school of Hiliel (i.e. his teachings, philosophies, ideals) who later came to follow Yeshua in light of how Yeshua taught many things predominately in line with the camp of Hiliel - as opposed to the school of Shammai.
That is simply not true. All Torah observant Jews who practice Judaism "follow religious leaders." Without exception.
In my opinion, he was most likely an Essene, who abhorred the Saduccean Temple cult. Hence, his priestly duties were performed in, and around the Jordan.
That is simply not true. All Torah observant Jews who practice Judaism "follow religious leaders." Without exception.
No comment on the word incarnate hocus-pocus, I'm almost positive I would break the rules somehow. But surely Jesus learned Torah.
(Luke 2:46) And it came about, that after three days they found him in the courts of the Beit HaMikdash, sitting in the midst of the Rabbis, both listening to them and asking them questions.
(Luke 2:52) And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and in stature, gaining favor both with other people and with G-d.
You make that sound so trivial...lol
Hillel was the head of the Sanhedrin with the title of "Nasi" (Prince). He was the most notable Torah scholar in all of Israel, and the Talmud records that Jewish halakha was according to his interpretation. He was much more than "just one in a line of Pharisees that built off the work of others." His theology was critical for the shaping of the Oral Torah and Judaism as it is today. Also, Hillel and Shammai, who each founded their own Torah academies, were the two Sages that formed the last of the five Zuggot, or pairs who transmitted the Oral Tradition to successive generations over a period of about 2 centuries (ca. 175 B.C.-A.D. 10).
First of all, I never said he was a Pharisee. Secondly, what makes you think priests cannot be Pharisees? lol
In my opinion, he was most likely an Essene, who abhorred the Saduccean Temple cult. Hence, his priestly duties were performed in, and around the Jordan.
Jesus first disciples were from John's ministry as a prophet yes. I do not understand how you get that John was a Pharisee at all, considering these verses alone. And there are more of course, but these are most salient considering your comments.Exactly. Which is why I asked. Had Hillel been alive in Jesus' day, Jesus would have been the student, and Hillel the teacher. As appalling as it may seem to almost all Christians, Jesus was indeed a Pharisee.
His disciples seemed to have continued John's baptism of repentance as disciples of Christ don't you think?He was definitely a disciple of Yochanan during "the silent years" just prior to his ministry.
For the second time now, I never once said Yochanan was a Pharisee. In fact, I gave my opinion in post #332 that he was most likely an Essene. I also gave my opinion in post #329 that Jesus was a Pharisee.Jesus first disciples were from John's ministry as a prophet yes. I do not understand how you get that John was a Pharisee at all.
You make that sound so trivial...lol
Hillel was the head of the Sanhedrin with the title of "Nasi" (Prince). He was the most notable Torah scholar in all of Israel, and the Talmud records that Jewish halakha was according to his interpretation. He was much more than "just one in a line of Pharisees that built off the work of others." His theology was critical for the shaping of the Oral Torah and Judaism as it is today. Also, Hillel and Shammai, who each founded their own Torah academies, were the two Sages that formed the last of the five Zuggot, or pairs who transmitted the Oral Tradition to successive generations over a period of about 2 centuries (ca. 175 B.C.-A.D. 10).
They are in the Babylonian TalmudI'm still here, lurking...enjoying checking in with you guys and reading posts. I am definitely growing and Adonai is showing me many things. It is absolutely stunning the depth of what He will show you when you are humble and seek His Face.
So, now, I'm curious. I've seen people in various places purpose that there are commandments specific for the Gentiles. Can any of you shed light on this for me? Thanks in advance.
You know that almost every part of the statement in your signature is wrong, don't you?
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