Coming from nothing

[PsychoSarah]

The fact that the universe exists at all and with scientists being at a complete lost is pretty evidential by that logic.
The fact that scientists have figured out all that they've figured out, and yet any explanation of the universe's origin have been utter failures.

And the whole time, there has been an explicit testimony of God.

There are no such contradictions, only your vain skepticism which 'incidentally' has a bias for a vain reality. Go figure.

God of the gaps logic is why lightening and the sun were once worshipped.

 

[Skybringr]

God of the gaps logic is why lightening and the sun were once worshipped.

Coming from someone who a hundred years ago would have believed in ether rather then relativity, thinking they have it figured out.

 

[Davian]

The fact that the universe exists at all and with scientists being at a complete lost is pretty evidential by that logic.
The fact that scientists have figured out all that they've figured out, and yet any explanation of the universe's origin have been utter failures.

So yours is a God-of-the-gaps? Filler for what scientists have yet to figure out?

And the whole time, there has been an explicit testimony of God.

There are no such contradictions, only your vain skepticism which 'incidentally' has a bias for a vain reality. Go figure; they aren't unrelated things.

What testimony?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Coming from someone who a hundred years ago would have believed in ether rather then relativity, thinking they have it figured out.

And today, some people believe "and god made the universe".

 

[Skybringr]

And today, some people believe "and god made the universe".

It's been that way for the past 2000 years, from the 1st world today all the way to classical Rome.

You all are the oddballs, not Christians. You all got your heads boosted up on science and upon rejecting God, you've since been stuck with an embarrassing non-answer to all your endeavors on life's meaning and universal origin

 

[Davian]

It's been that way for the past 2000 years, from the 1st world today all the way to classical Rome.

Argument from antiquity fallacy.

You all are the oddballs, not Christians.

Argument from popularity fallacy.

You all got your heads boosted up on science and upon rejecting God, you've since been stuck with an embarrassing non-answer to all your endeavors on life's meaning and universal origin

Your answer has so much more explanatory power.

 

[bhsmte]

Coming from someone who a hundred years ago would have believed in ether rather then relativity, thinking they have it figured out.

Do you consider it a weakness or a strength, to be able to acquire knowledge and understanding and have that knowledge impact what you choose to believe?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Well how would you know?

I mean in the context of theology. The approach is to come up with a seeming solution to a cosmological riddle, and then call that "God". However, coming up with a solution that sounds good, but is not evidenced, is not a solution at all. It is just a rationalistic game.

One can accept the unsolved paradoxes of the universe, but be so willing to neglect the miracles of the Bible. How ironic.

Apples and oranges.

I don't "neglect" the miracles of the Bible, btw. They are an interesting study into human psychology.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[FireDragon76]

I mean in the context of theology. The approach is to come up with a seeming solution to a cosmological riddle, and then call that "God". However, coming up with a solution that sounds good, but is not evidenced, is not a solution at all. It is just a rationalistic game.

Your account of religion is faulty: monotheism did not start by philosophical speculation. Jews believe in God because they believe God delivered them from slavery and gave them the Torah. Muslims believe in God because they believe the Quran's divine inspiration. Christians believe in God because they believe in Jesus. None of this is the sort of philosophical speculation you are implying. Do not confuse apologetics for the content of the faith itself.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

It's been that way for the past 2000 years, from the 1st world today all the way to classical Rome.

You all are the oddballs, not Christians. You all got your heads boosted up on science and upon rejecting God, you've since been stuck with an embarrassing non-answer to all your endeavors on life's meaning and universal origin

Doctor, heal thyself.

 

[KCfromNC]

The fact that the universe exists at all and with scientists being at a complete lost is pretty evidential by that logic. The fact that scientists have figured out all that they've figured out, and yet any explanation of the universe's origin have been utter failures.

Oh well, we're only human. How do you make the logical connection between "people aren't omniscient" to "Jesus died for our sins", exactly?

And the whole time, there has been an explicit testimony of God.

There's been lots of people writing about various contradictory ideas of gods, but nothing from those gods themselves. Wonder what's up with that?

There are no such contradictions

How many women witnessed the empty tomb? What was the order of creation? Is Jesus fully human or god?

Come on, even your church admits there are paradoxes in the religion which don't have answers. Try to keep up.

, only your vain skepticism which 'incidentally' has a bias for a vain reality. Go figure; they aren't unrelated things.

Hey look, name calling instead of a logical argument. Guess when you have nothing else it is worth a try.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Your account of religion is faulty

I said in the context of theology. I'm not trying to account for religion.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[FireDragon76]

I said in the context of theology. I'm not trying to account for religion.

Mark

You dismiss theology as a game, but systematic theology is a systematic attempt to account for the religious beliefs of a community. Monotheists believe they experience God before this attempt at theologizing, the fact they call the first-cause or ontological ground of being God is not surprising, and certainly not arbitrary, given the nature of God found in Hebrew and Christian Scriptures.