Comet "I, SON"

[Lulav]

I'm thinking it's a Klingon warship, any ideas?

 

[ananda]

I don't think they did. Could you show me exactly what you are pointing out?

I wrote about it in post 91 ... here's the video in question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSi7utIvAM4

 

[ContraMundum]

I wrote about it in post 91 ... here's the video in question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSi7utIvAM4

That live feed was not the one I was referring to- it was the one posted on Comet ISON - live streaming video powered by Livestream

Also- I don't think those are stills.

 

[Thomas L Cossette]

Hows it going Netzarim,

When I saw your topic of choice I simply said woo-wee! he's going to be raked over the coals by the mockers for that one. But dialogue is good it defines who's who. Nice job at not losing your temper your a better man than me. I would have busted back a long time ago.
I don't worry about comets I think them inconsequential it is a epic coronal mass ejection that ushers Armageddon and when that happens it will happen so quickly only those that know the scriptures will know where we are in time.

 

[ananda]

That live feed was not the one I was referring to- it was the one posted on Comet ISON - live streaming video powered by Livestream

Actually, you asked me what live feed *I* was referring to, and I gave you that video.

Also- I don't think those are stills.

Can you show me another video of the sun where the sun's plasma appears stationary and fixed over the course of three-plus hours?

 

[ananda]

Hows it going Netzarim,

Shalom!

When I saw your topic of choice I simply said woo-wee! he's going to be raked over the coals by the mockers for that one. But dialogue is good it defines who's who.

I agree.

Nice job at not losing your temper your a better man than me. I would have busted back a long time ago.

I don't worry about comets I think them inconsequential it is a epic coronal mass ejection that ushers Armageddon and when that happens it will happen so quickly only those that know the scriptures will know where we are in time.

Have you heard of the electrical universe theory?

 

[ContraMundum]

Can you show me another video of the sun where the sun's plasma appears stationary and fixed over the course of three-plus hours?

I don't know if it's just a matter of my glasses being better than yours, but there is movement on that vid you posted- and it looks about normal to me for three hours. Have you spent much time on this stuff before? You won't see a lot of changes sometimes for a long time on the sun, and then you might see a sudden change. It's not abnormal or suspicious.

I have no idea why you are so attracted to conspiracy. It's weird from my perspective.

 

[ananda]

I don't know if it's just a matter of my glasses being better than yours, but there is movement on that vid you posted- and it looks about normal to me for three hours. Have you spent much time on this stuff before? You won't see a lot of changes sometimes for a long time on the sun, and then you might see a sudden change. It's not abnormal or suspicious.

I've seen other videos from SDO/AIA which shows very obvious movement by the sun and its plasma over the course of a couple of hours, for example:

NASA SDO AIA - July 20, 2010 Flare - YouTube

Maybe it's just my eyes, but I do not see any movement whatsoever in the perihelion video for ISON over a similar length of time:

Nov. 28, SDO AIA 211 frozen frame during ISON perihelion

I have no idea why you are so attracted to conspiracy. It's weird from my perspective.

What makes this a "conspiracy"? How is it unlawful, wrong, or subversive to observe and dialogue about oddities in the universe, or to pay attention to celestial signs and other things which YHVH asked us to pay attention to? ISON is an unusual celestial object, so, to me, that tells me this thing deserves greater attention and study.

I'm not forcing anyone to participate in my thread. Anyone who is interested may participate, those who aren't may also feel free to not participate.

 

[ContraMundum]

I've seen other videos from SDO/AIA which shows very obvious movement by the sun and its plasma over the course of a couple of hours, for example:

NASA SDO AIA - July 20, 2010 Flare - YouTube

I do not see any movement whatsoever in the perihelion video for ISON over a similar length of time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSi7utIvAM4

My point exactly. It's never the same. Different kinds of photography record different phenomena as well- depending what they are looking for.

Please watch the live feed I linked to you and you will have a lot of this sorted out.

What makes this a "conspiracy"? How is it unlawful, wrong, or subversive to observe and dialogue about oddities in the universe, or to pay attention to celestial signs and other things which YHVH asked us to pay attention to? ISON is an unusual celestial object, so, to me, that tells me this thing deserves greater attention and study.

I'm not forcing anyone to participate in my thread. Anyone who is interested may participate, those who aren't may also feel free to not participate.

You really don't listen. This is a problem between us. I think you are looking for conspiracies, not that you are being conspiratorial.

When someone says-

"Then maybe you can explain how NASA broadcasted a still picture and offered it as a live feed of ISON's perihelion."

It sounds like they don't trust NASA and believe that they are trying to pull a fast one on the public.

Also, this thread is of enormous interest to me- because I like astronomy, and I don't like misinformation or incorrect assumptions. I like truth.

You can look to the Heavens for signs and portents your whole life, and if that floats your boat- fine. Just get the data right before you start handing out the ascension robes.

 

[ananda]

You really don't listen. This is a problem between us...

I'm sure this is a problem for you, since (to my knowledge) you come from an authoritarian, hierarchal position in your church where you probably expect others to listen submissively; where "Doctors" and "Professors" and "Reverends" and "Bishops" deliver authoritative fiats as masters and teachers over the "little people".

Regretfully , I reject such hierarchies. Messiah is my only Master and Teacher, and, from my perspective your opinion is no more or less valuable than any other believer's.

You can look to the Heavens for signs and portents your whole life, and if that floats your boat- fine. Just get the data right before you start handing out the ascension robes.

When did I talk about ISON being associated with "ascension"?

 

[Lulav]

Yeah, you are all idiots (me included) and Shambolic? that's a new one. I guess we better get our data in order, I mean can't you come to a discussion board and have all your ducks and thoughts and beliefs already worked out and nice and orderly?

Too bad, I think for now, at least we are allowed to speak about G-ds word and him telling us about his creation and why he put things in the sky for us, not just to amuse us or entertain us but to communicate with us.

Speculators continue!

 

[ContraMundum]

I'm sure this is a problem for you, since (to my knowledge) you come from an authoritarian, hierarchal position in your church where you probably expect others to listen submissively; where "Doctors" and "Professors" and "Reverends" and "Bishops" deliver authoritative fiats as masters and teachers over the "little people".

That's probably the worst flame you could ever make to someone in my position, who is a servant. I gave my whole life up to feed, clothe, and yes, teach anyone who asks of my time. I submit to my church council and am under their authority. If you had a clue about real church life, you might have figured out that clerics have almost no authority when in an orthodox setting. Try it sometime.

What have you done for your community????????????? Oh....do you even have one? Who do you serve? Who do you give up all for?

Regretfully , I reject such hierarchies. Messiah is my only Master and Teacher, and, from my perspective your opinion is no more or less valuable than any other believer's.

That's all well and good, but I submit to you that you could learn a lot by being serving others as commanded by Messiah. That includes His teachers. Not me, just someone who you could possibly admit to being wrong to.

When did I talk about ISON being associated with "ascension"?

I was using a tool of grammar, which was not meant to be taken literally. That's how language works. See the other thread.

 

[ContraMundum]

Yeah, you are all idiots (me included) and Shambolic? that's a new one. I guess we better get our data in order, I mean can't you come to a discussion board and have all your ducks and thoughts and beliefs already worked out and nice and orderly?

Too bad, I think for now, at least we are allowed to speak about G-ds word and him telling us about his creation and why he put things in the sky for us, not just to amuse us or entertain us but to communicate with us.

Speculators continue!

Why did you quote me and then post something that has absolutely no bearing on anything being said in the thread at all.

You want my attention- well- you have it.

What think ye of the collection and assesment of astronomical data by the scientific community regarding ISON and how (pray tell) does that enhance or detract from your faith-life?

 

[ananda]

That's probably the worst flame you could ever make to someone in my position, who is a servant. I gave my whole life up to feed, clothe, and yes, teach anyone who asks of my time. I submit to my church council and am under their authority. If you had a clue about real church life, you might have figured out that clerics have almost no authority when in an orthodox setting. Try it sometime.

What have you done for your community????????????? Oh....do you even have one? Who do you serve? Who do you give up all for? That's all well and good, but I submit to you that you could learn a lot by being serving others as commanded by Messiah. That includes His teachers. Not me, just someone who you could possibly admit to being wrong to.

I'm not flaming or demeaning you or so-called "clergy". From my perspective, I am elevating every believer into the status of "clergy". That's all.

I will not descend into an argument about "what have I done for Messiah lately?" as a point of comparison or judgment of our worth before Messiah.

I have no problem to admit when I am wrong, and I will be happy to be the first to say so if news about ISON completely fizzles out over the next month or so.

 

[ContraMundum]

I'm not flaming or demeaning you or so-called "clergy". From my perspective, I am elevating every believer into the status of "clergy". That's all.

That's what I believe too. Ordination is not an elevation, but a commission.

I will not descend into an argument about "what have I done for Messiah lately?" as a point of comparison or judgment of our worth before Messiah.

Then don't judge others first!

I have no problem to admit when I am wrong, and I will be happy to be the first to say so if news about ISON completely fizzles out over the next month or so.

It's fizzed out- just the dust now. I really, really would love it if we went through some of the dust. It might be a good show! But I don't think it looks like happening.

 

[ananda]

That's what I believe too. Ordination is not an elevation, but a commission.

I believe all believers are commissioned in the same way.

Then don't judge others first!

Can I judge second?

It's fizzed out- just the dust now. I really, really would love it if we went through some of the dust. It might be a good show! But I don't think it looks like happening.

I'm waiting to see

 

[Lulav]

I'm not flaming or demeaning you or so-called "clergy". From my perspective, I am elevating every believer into the status of "clergy". That's all.

I will not descend into an argument about "what have I done for Messiah lately?" as a point of comparison or judgment of our worth before Messiah.

I have no problem to admit when I am wrong, and I will be happy to be the first to say so if news about ISON completely fizzles out over the next month or so.

Yes, Amen! We are all brothers and sisters, I hate the Nico laitians just as much as Yeshua but that is a no-no here too so we can't mention that.

I personally think it's presumptuous to think we know anything about the universe. I think it is good to watch, study history and compare now-day happenings. Just think of the lives lost over wrong interpretation of the Bible comparable to what could be observable in the heavens.

Didn't the Church burn Galileo at the stake for heresy because he proposed heliocentrisism instead of geocentrisism ?

I feel comforted when called a a heretic when I think of how his ideas were interpreted. He was burnt at the stake for it. I have a distant relative who was the first Protestant ArchBishop of Canterbury in the Anglican Church. He also was burnt at the stake and recanted his recanting of beliefs against the Church and their doctrines. Maybe it's in the blood, I come from a long line of reformers on the one side of my family.

We should search the skies and search the Scriptures to hear what HaShem is trying to tell us, this is always a good thing!

 

[ContraMundum]

I believe all believers are commissioned in the same way.

I believe all believers are commissioned in some way.

 

[Lulav]

Why did you quote me and then post something that has absolutely no bearing on anything being said in the thread at all.

You want my attention- well- you have it.

What think ye of the collection and assesment of astronomical data by the scientific community regarding ISON and how (pray tell) does that enhance or detract from your faith-life?

Your quote was removed, even though it called this discussion idiotic.

I really can't take any more 'attention' from you, my 'dance card' is full right now.

 

[pgp_protector]

This is getting idiotic. Shambolic. Just stop it already.

ISON is dust, and that's about it. See here. As I said before, it's been proven by the sceintists and yet you (looking at Netz of course) still deny it. ISON's remnants are not on a collision course with Earth. It will pass over the earth at quite a distance.

It's a shame NASA puts data out there that internet "experts" can't intepret properly but make pontifications on. Already on this thread you've got some YouTube'r completely destroying the data making out there is some conspiracy to hide the facts of the comet, and now we have people ignoring the data put before them (eg the live feed pretty much declared the comet deceased- what you see if a trail of dust and debris- no comet) still hoping that they get their fill of religious armageddon. This is possibly the best reason I have seen to propel people into atheism.

Try the Evolution vs Creationism forums. That area can propel people even quicker.