Colonialism

[peadar1987]

Fact: the United States broke every single treaty with the American natives, regardless of whether they were hostile or not.

Fact: the United States drove the American natives from their ancestral lands, often in death marches, and confined them to barren wastelands.

Fact: the United States deliberately decimated the Bison to the point of extinction, following the line of reasoning: "One dead buffalo means ten dead redskins".

Fact: It didn't matter whether the American natives were friendly or hostile. In every single case, they were subjugated, robbed of their land, forbidden to practice their own culture and/or forbidden to speak their own language.

God Bless America!

 

[Wyzaard]

Also many of the colonialists did not want to fight, but had to, because they were being attacked by barbaric tribes.

Yeah, how dare those people resist domination and oppression!

Colonial regimes were brutal all-around, and did far more harm than good tho those they dominated.

The Colonial Holocaust and its Legacy (by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed) - Media Monitors Network
O.U.R.A.I.M: ITALY OWNS UP TO COLONIAL ATROCITIES TO LIBYA, APOLOGISES AND COMPENSATES
Colonial atrocities explode myth of Dutch tolerance - World, News - The Independent

Colonialism was started to find new land and opportunity,

aka, exploitation.

bring civility,

Through slaughter?

innovation,

Only where increasing exploitation was involved... note the development of rail lines in Africa, where they only ran to and from extraction zones, or the industrialization of farming in India alongside the destruction of nacient fabic industries that was designed to privilege British manufacturing.

and structure, not start wars.

EVERY colonial enterprise involved incredible amounts of suffering mete out on non-white peoples, ALL started by colonial authorities that sought unrestricted exploitation.

And I don't know about you, but most people don't wanna live in 3rd world countries. The same people bashing colonialism are also the same ones who wouldn't step foot in a 3rd world country.

The reason there is such a thing as a third-world country is BECAUSE of colonialism that served as a destructive force exploitation and repression, turning nations and peoples into disposable extraction zones.

Your project here is incredibly disturbing. I urge EVERYONE on the board to keep up their challenging of such screed!

 

[tanzanos]

CreedIsChrist,

If you can read; then I recommend you read the book: "Big boss Elizabeth" by Giles Milton. Also "Nathaniel's Nutmeg" and "White Gold" by the same author.

You may finally understand the evils of colonialism and slavery.

Giles Milton is not some hoopla mainstream Author, and you will do good to read him. Otherwise you may continue to wallow in your ignorance for all you want!

 

[Fin12]

No, its was great for everyone, finally democracy and a civilized government could govern the areas. America is the land of opportunity and conquest. The Indians were a very sparse population of America and in no way could populate the whole continent.

The fact is, is that many of the Native Americans were very aggressive and did not take kindly to new visitors. Some native Americans however welcomed the settlers and viewed it as new opportunities for them. Many of the Indians took very kindly to the technology the settlers brought.

However the problem is that many of the tribes were still very primitive and violent. They made it absolute hell for the settlers who simply were there to live a new life and build. When settlers started seeing their own people with their hearts ripped out or their scalps cut out was when they started viewing the native Americans as savages. And in reality, they were most of the time.

The reservations today exist as a sign of this animosity toward a better life and a free progressive nation. The high crime rate and alcoholism on many reservations today still shows us this same problem of violence that existed over a 100 years ago.

I myself love America. And I think anyone who degrades our founding fathers are a ungratefull disgrace and don't deserve to live here. The land of the free exists today because of the blood these people shed carving out this land for us. You are able to live free without oppression because of them.

2 Things that screw you up, native american beliefs held the belief that EVERYTHING was a god in it's own right and deserved respect, your idea that they were violent does not stand up.

And scalping was a Christian torture method used in the inquisition then taught to the native americans. It was later used to defame the native tribes and ostrosise them as barbarians... ...clearly it worked.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

2 Things that screw you up, native American beliefs held the belief that EVERYTHING was a god in it's own right and deserved respect, your idea that they were violent does not stand up.

And scalping was a Christian torture method used in the inquisition then taught to the native Americans. It was later used to defame the native tribes and ostrosise them as barbarians... ...clearly it worked.

you know, its funny how you "progressives" always bring up the wonderful things of progress and advancement, yet condemn the progress and advancement of our European ancestors. Hypocrites.

And if you have read more of this OP you would have seen that the Europeans did not teach the Indians about scalping and was nothing more than a purported myth during the liberal counter-cultural phase that you obviously have taken hook, line and sinker.


According to ethnohistorian James Axtell, there is abundant evidence that the Native American practice of scalping existed long before Europeans arrived. Axtell argues that there is no evidence that the early European explorers and settlers who came to the Americas were familiar with the ancient European practice of scalping, or that they ever taught scalping to Native Americans. Axtell writes that the idea that Europeans taught scalping to Native Americans became popular recently, during the 1960s. This idea quickly became conventional wisdom because it fit the tenor of the times of the counter-cultural 1960s, writes Axtell, but he argues that archaeological, historical, pictorial, and linguistic evidence contradicts this notion. Certain tribes of Native Americans practiced scalping, in some instances up until the 19th century


Scalping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The reason there is such a thing as a third-world country is BECAUSE of colonialism that served as a destructive force exploitation and repression, turning nations and peoples into disposable extraction zones.

Oh please, that is just laughable. There are many 3rd world countries that the west hasn't even set foot on. The real reason 3rd world countries are the way they are is because they have no civil government, no economy, no medical help, view life as cheap, and have no general laws. Africa would be a MUCH better place if Britain took the whole thing in my opinion. At least there would be medical help, safe clean water, food, and some form of structure and civility like South Africa has. People are starving from the exact same systems you are defending.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Isn't it somewhat ironic that the very people who'd pledge to defend their homeland against any foreign invader and demand the right to own and carry guns are also the ones who'd condemn the American natives for doing just that: fighting back against invaders who'd take their land?

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

And if you argue that not being a nation of peaceful saints makes you worthy of being wiped out and subjected to colonial rule - then please, can you tell me when I should send the troops to take over the United States?

 

[Verv]

I am wondering if the liberals here felt a lot of pangs of pain for when the Aztecs were subjugating neighboring tribes or when the Utes were capturing the fairest skin Arapaho women to turn into breeders for their tribe?

The point:

Sometimes, things end up being crappy.

Europe was stronger and literate; so, they took over. They made the Natives by many measures more civilized and in other ways they were repressive towards them.

But... That's OK.

It's history. It's fascinating. I like it a lot.

Pretending it could be anyhow different is wrong -- humans are humans are humans.

I am going to add something spicy for all of those out there who consider themselves humanists...

If I were a humanist, I would be very similar to a Futurst; I would glorify warfare, technological advancement and the artistic parts of brutality and barbarity.

That seems to be the root of humanity.

 

[tanzanos]

This is a good time to send in the Russians and Chinese to take over the primitive peoples of the US. They are so primitive that they cannot even place their continent on the map! They do not deserve to own the land.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

This is a good time to send in the Russians and Chinese to take over the primitive peoples of the US. They are so primitive that they cannot even place their continent on the map! They do not deserve to own the land.

Umm, why would communist Russia, which is less technologically advanced and less economic than the US, take over them? Thats makes completely no sense at all..As far as China, I guess you've never seen their prisons or the millions of people who have been starved to death there since Mao Zedong?

do you even know what primitive means??

the US and Japan are the 2 most advanced lands in the world currently

I don't understand how you can make such an uneducated statement

Europe was stronger and literate; so, they took over. They made the Natives by many measures more civilized and in other ways they were repressive towards them.

In my opinion, people who sacrifice their own men, women and children and commit cannibalism deserve to be wiped out. Child sacrifice is one of the great sins that angered God in the OT to rid the savage Pagans from their lands.

 

[Andreusz]

Umm, why would communist Russia,
.

Russia ceased to be communist in 1989.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

I don't understand how you can make such an uneducated statement.

Now, let's start with the sheer irony of this comment, keeping it in mind as I address the rest of your post:

Umm, why would communist Russia, which is less technologically advanced and less economic than the US, take over them? Thats makes completely no sense at all..

Communist Russia? Where did you get your education, CiC? The USSR has been history for TWO DECADES now. The Cold War is OVER! Didn't you get the memo?

As far as China, I guess you've never seen their prisons or the millions of people who have been starved to death there since Mao Zedong?

What did European prisons look like when they took over the Americas? And what form of government did they have?
That's not to say that I'm exactly a fan of contemporary China, but - at least economically speaking - they've come a LONG way since the days of Mao. In fact, your own economy is so irrevocably chained to China by now that you're already in thralldom, anyway.

do you even know what primitive means??

Yeah: it's a derogatory term used by people whose knowledge of ethnology and anthropology amounts to squat, yet who like to feel superior to other cultures.

the US and Japan are the 2 most advanced lands in the world currently

HAHAHAHA! Advanced? In what manner? Technologically? I'd say that plenty of nations are on par in that regard. Economically? American corporations have been outsourcing their facilities to CHINA and the like for decades now.
Scientifically? Half the population of the USA believes that the theory of evolution is based on an atheist conspiracy, and that global warming is a myth. You can hardly get more uneducated than that. Socially? You even promote the death penalty, a "primitive" form of socially accepted revenge.

 

[tanzanos]

Umm, why would communist Russia, which is less technologically advanced and less economic than the US, take over them? Thats makes completely no sense at all..As far as China, I guess you've never seen their prisons or the millions of people who have been starved to death there since Mao Zedong?

do you even know what primitive means??

the US and Japan are the 2 most advanced lands in the world currently

I don't understand how you can make such an uneducated statement



In my opinion, people who sacrifice their own men, women and children and commit cannibalism deserve to be wiped out. Child sacrifice is one of the great sins that angered God in the OT to rid the savage Pagans from their lands.

Yes I know what primitive means and in many ways the US conforms to primitive in many social areas especially in the south.

Now since the US practices Capital punishment then it cannot by any definition be considered a civilised state. Also you show a picture of the death penalty being carried out in China yet you forget that the US does the same thing albeit using different methods such as electrocution, gassing, lethal injection.

The US may be (IN SOME AREAS) more technologically advanced but that does not change the fact that the US in the 21st century conducted herself on the world stage in a barbarous manner and is directly or indirectly responsible for countless of civilian casualties, and wanton abuse of human rights; more so than any other country.

Your PRO colonialism stance stems fro your ignorance on international issues and the brainwashing of sunday bible thumping church attendance, where racism and hate are the norm.

Do you also believe that Jesus was blonde and blue eyed and spoke only English? Because if you do it would not surprise me at all.

Now as to child sacrifice and eating children you better start building your appetite because your God of the Bible demands such things.

(Why do I have this distinct feeling that you are going to press the report button)?

 

[tanzanos]

Civilised Usa!

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Communist Russia? Where did you get your education, CiC? The USSR has been history for TWO DECADES now. The Cold War is OVER! Didn't you get the memo?

Russia, for the most part of its post-history is communist and IS still partly communist(under the guise of national socialism).You realize Putin got in office due to his support for communists? Former director of KGB. Russia still has market based communism. Either way it should be called for what it is and they are still a communist threat, especially when Putin gets out of office.

Yeah: it's a derogatory term used by people whose knowledge of ethnology and anthropology amounts to squat, yet who like to feel superior to other cultures.

No, its a reaction to the barbarism of another group or tribe.

HAHAHAHA! Advanced? In what manner? Technologically? I'd say that plenty of nations are on par in that regard. Economically? American corporations have been outsourcing their facilities to CHINA and the like for decades now.
Scientifically? Half the population of the USA believes that the theory of evolution is based on an atheist conspiracy, and that global warming is a myth. You can hardly get more uneducated than that. Socially? You even promote the death penalty, a "primitive" form of socially accepted revenge.

Your using something that is still a "theory" as a gauge for someones intellect? Your the ones who claim that something can come from nothing, lol.

Notice how most of the dark areas are in euro-hertiage lands?(with the exception of Japan of course)



You really must have little knowledge of the technology of the US military.




The U.S. is:

- 2.6x stronger than Japan.
- 12.4x stronger than the O.I.C. states
- 14.4x stronger than China.
- 20.3x stronger than Mexico.

WikiAnswers - What are the most powerful nations in the world

 

[Wyzaard]

Oh please, that is just laughable. There are many 3rd world countries that the west hasn't even set foot on.

The real reason 3rd world countries are the way they are is because they have no civil government, no economy, no medical help,

Thanks in large part of exploitive colonial regimes that built next to nothing in the way of infrastructure that didn't have to do with resource extraction. After independence, most of these countries had to start from scratch in a Western-dominated world built off of their blood and soil; few options other than continuing their indenture to corporations and Western geopolitical ambitions exist. As such...

view life as cheap, and have no general laws.

This isn't very surprising... being treated as a dirty dish rag does wonders for one's self-esteem as a people.

Africa would be a MUCH better place if Britain took the whole thing in my opinion.

Britain and other European nations already took the whole thing once... and provided little to none of the following to native populations:

medical help, safe clean water, food, and some form of structure and civility

Instead, Africans have done and continue to do the best they can with what little they have under the circumstances.

 

[Wyzaard]

Sometimes, things end up being crappy.

Europe was stronger and literate; so, they took over. They made the Natives by many measures more civilized and in other ways they were repressive towards them.

But... That's OK.

Indigenous peoples tend to disagree... and actually work to make things actually OK.

If I were a humanist, I would be very similar to a Futurst; I would glorify warfare, technological advancement and the artistic parts of brutality and barbarity.

That seems to be the root of humanity.

Only if you ignore our long evolutionary past, one that features cooperation, communication, and collective survival as key to human development; mass warfare is a recent invention stemming from the consequences of artificially imposed stratification and scarcity.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Russia, for the most part of its post-history is communist and IS still partly communist(under the guise of national socialism).You realize Putin got in office due to his support for communists? Former director of KGB. Russia still has market based communism. Either way it should be called for what it is and they are still a communist threat, especially when Putin gets out of office.

So, essentially, you not only have not an inkling of knowledge about contemporary Russian politics, but also think that "national socialism" and communism are interchangeable terms?
And I thought I had seen it all when you deemed yourself fit to read the thoughts and motivations of all women out there.

Your using something that is still a "theory" as a gauge for someones intellect? Your the ones who claim that something can come from nothing, lol.

So, we might add ignorance of science to the list of your educational deficits? Otherwise, how could you NOT know how the term "theory" is used in a scientific context, and conflate the theory of evolution with abiogenesis in the same breath?

You really must have little knowledge of the technology of the US military.

I don't judge a nation's advancement based on the strength of its arms. Throughout history, it was always the "barbarians" who turned out to be superior warriors.

 

[Nooj]

Notice how most of the dark areas are in euro-hertiage lands?(with the exception of Japan of course)

What's this measuring?

 

[quatona]

What's this measuring?

Greenness.