College sin(s)

[msjones21]

i know people who don't drink to get drunk. that's a wrong assumption.

No, it's not a wrong assumption. I'm not saying that everyone, every time they drink they get plastered. I'm saying that alcohol serves no other purpose. If you're not drinking to get drunk, you're drinking to be socially accepted or to better relax. Nobody drinks just for the heck of it.

 

[Breetai]

Well then I've definetely aquired a taste for a nice thick lager. I'll take one of those over a Coke anyday. I do love the way to beer tastes (some beer, not all). I'm not convinced that having a couple of beers to unwind is sinful.

 

[msjones21]

Why do you need beer to unwind? Is that not an addiction? Does alcohol not harm the body? Look at how it destroys the liver. The Bible says your body is a temple. We're not taking care of the temple when we have to drink a beer every day when we get home from work just because our day was stressful. How much more edifying would it be to Christ to turn to Him for peace instead of a beer?

 

[Breetai]

Alcohol could be used as a painkiller. Yup, I'm pulling at straws now...

 

[oncewaslost]

i don't recall the bible saying anything about not drinking, only about not getting drunk. those are two different things.

 

[Breetai]

I wonder if this will turn into a "is drinking really a sin" debate.

YUP

 

[prince didymus]

Okay bottom line, why do people drink? Not one person can honestly say "oh I just do it because I love the way it tastes".

I know I can honestly say I love the taste of wine...but that's besides the point of this thread.

I wonder if this will turn into a "is drinking really a sin" debate.

It's already started. Go figure.....

 

[msjones21]

What part of taking care of the temple do you not uderstand? Does alcohol not affect your body? I'm not talking about the occasional glass of wine with dinner. I'm talking about having to drink that beer after work or just having to drink a cocktail when going out with friends. I highly doubt you would do that sitting next to Jesus. That is the point I'm trying to make. You can sit here and say "well the Bible doesn't say drinking is a sin" all you want. The Bible doesn't say anything about abortion either. Does that make it right?

 

[oncewaslost]

the bible does say something about abortion. 6th commandment "thou shalt not kill". caffine affects the body. so does sugar, perservatives and a number of other things.

 

[Echoes Peak]

What part of taking care of the temple do you not uderstand? Does alcohol not affect your body? I'm not talking about the occasional glass of wine with dinner.

Oh, I was going to say something about wine. But then you said that, so I'm leaving things as such.

 

[msjones21]

caffine affects the body. so does sugar, perservatives and a number of other things.

You're grasping at reasons to make drinking acceptable and as a Christian, it's not a good witness. As far as caffeine and refined sugar ruining your body, why do you think the Mormons don't consume caffeine? Not only that, but how often does someone eat a piece of chocolate cake, get in the car, and then get into an accident killing innocent people? All it takes is one drink to impair your judgment.

 

[doclkk]

Doesn't Paul tell Timothy to drink some wine? I dunno.

Anyway, about girls - how far is too far?

 

[doclkk]

before marriage I mean

 

[Living4Him03]

if you've even gone far isnt that bad? much less TOO far...lol.

I don't know. I am a weirdo...lol. Ask the girls who know this stuff. Oh wait, you just did!

Too far for me and my boyfriend is one thing, but for other couples it is another. Cuddling/snuggling while watching a movie, sometimes even holding hands, can be too far for me. And yes girls can easily get turned on too, probably just not as much At least in my case!

 

[stray bullet]

Okay bottom line, why do people drink? Not one person can honestly say "oh I just do it because I love the way it tastes". Alcohol is an acquired taste. I loved drinking back int he day because it helped me loosen up in social settings. People drink to get drunk, it serves no other purpose. Coke tastes better than a beer, but being the only person in a group of people at a bar drinking a Coke doesn't look "cool". People drink to fit in, people drink to get drunk, people drink to unwind. Those are all sinful, selfish reasons to partake of alcoholic beverages.

I drink just because I like the taste. I love alcohol, the way it tastes as a drink and what it does to food.

I think coke tastes nasty, I love the taste of a beer. In fact, they make non-alcoholic beer because people still like the taste, but for whatever reason, can't have the alcohol.

In fact, I make my own beer. I can easily and cheaply change the alcohol content of it. Now, do I make it all 7..8..10%? No, I simply adjust it to fit the style of beer and enjoy the flavor. If I wanted to get hammered, I'd just make it all 15%.

Part of the reason I drink is because I can't eat a whole lot of sugary, milky desert all the time. So, instead, I sit back with a beer and sip it instead of going for a snack late at night.

So yes, many of us drink because we love the taste. That's why people work hard to produce good drinks, or spend lots of money on a wonderfully aged drink. If we just wanted to get drunk, we'd just drink kool-aid and grain alcohol.

I'm sorry you can't enjoy a drink the way many of us do. It may be a drug to you, but to me it's a hobby (brewing), an area of interest and a late night snack. In fact, I'm sipping some whisky right now

 

[stray bullet]

1. Yes, drinking is a sin. Proverbs says wine is a mocker and beer is a brawler. And Jesus turned water into wine, but He did not partake of it. Also, there were three types of beverages that have been translated as "wine" in the Bible. One was a grape juice that people would drink during celebration. One was a strong drink for people who were painfully ill. The last was a fermented drink that caused drunkeness. The wine Jesus turned the water into was a grape juice. So yes, social drinking is a sin. Are you edifying Christ? Would you hold up a beer can with Jesus sitting next to you and say "cheers!"?

2. Yes, playing with people's emotions and getting phone numbers for sport is a sin.

3. Clubbing isn't sinful in and of itself but I highly doubt anyone goes clubbing to be a Christian witness. Would you be ashamed if you ran into someone you had been witnessing to at the club? Do you dance seductively with people? Do you listen to music that is meant to arouse sexual curiosity? Do you drink, smoke, or do drugs to enhance your "clubbing" experience?

Lemme guess, you're a baptist?

 

[msjones21]

Nope, Presbyterian LOL

 

[stray bullet]

Why do you need beer to unwind? Is that not an addiction? Does alcohol not harm the body? Look at how it destroys the liver. The Bible says your body is a temple. We're not taking care of the temple when we have to drink a beer every day when we get home from work just because our day was stressful. How much more edifying would it be to Christ to turn to Him for peace instead of a beer?

Alcohol has many benefits, it's not harmful unless actually abused. You can drink a glass of wine every day or have a beer on a regular bais and be perfectly fine. People used to drink all the time to avoid contaminated water.

There isn't anything wrong with alcohol, at all. It's only bad when abused. Just as there is nothing wrong with caffeine, but there is something wrong about popping caffeine pills to study for a test or needing it just to get up in the morning.

 

[msjones21]

I agree, but most people who drink start out with it being just one glass of wine or one beer after work. It may take years before it becomes an addiction. Why start and take that risk? Drinking, just like clubbing, isn't sinful at its very roots. It's the attitudes of the people who are indulging in these activities that makes it sinful. I, personally, think drinking conveys a poor Christian witness. As Christians we are called to be set-apart from the world. If you had been earnestly witnessing to a person and they saw you drinking a beer, could it cause them to think you're a hypocrite upon first glance? That is why I don't drink.

 

[prince didymus]

1. Yes, drinking is a sin. Proverbs says wine is a mocker and beer is a brawler. And Jesus turned water into wine, but He did not partake of it. Also, there were three types of beverages that have been translated as "wine" in the Bible. One was a grape juice that people would drink during celebration. One was a strong drink for people who were painfully ill. The last was a fermented drink that caused drunkeness. The wine Jesus turned the water into was a grape juice. So yes, social drinking is a sin. Are you edifying Christ? Would you hold up a beer can with Jesus sitting next to you and say "cheers!"?

Drinking is a sin? Really? I would like to see where the Bible clearly or whatever authority states this as such.

People drink to get drunk, it serves no other purpose.

That is a hasty generalization and is not true for all individuals.

People drink to fit in, people drink to get drunk, people drink to unwind.

Again that is not always true. I truly couldn't care less to fit in with any kind of crowd.

Maybe you should use the word "some" when speaking of these kind of things unless you are purposely generalizing.