Coincidences?

[Fiendishjester]

Is it just me, or is it a little quiet in here?

I'm about ready to pretend I'm a YEC and start creating some real clash.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Is it just me, or is it a little quiet in here?

I'm about ready to pretend I'm a YEC and start creating some real clash.

The problem of fossil stratigraphy falsifying the flood usually leads to silence from YECs only biogeography seems to shut them down as fast.

The Frumious Bandersnatch

 

[Siliconaut]

I like the running up the mountains nonsense. Some wag on one of these boards has said that YEC is the belief that oak trees outran velociraptors while escaping the flood.

That theory has a lot going for it: How often do policemen hear "well, I honked at it, but that tree just jumped in front of my car out of nowhere!"...

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Mangroves and willow trees also must have outrun a lot of animals in getting to higher ground. I guess those pre-flood trees could really move out.

As with so many things the YECs claim it is a matter of interpretation but when asked for an interpretation that fits with a significant fraction of the fossil record being produced by a worldwide flood we get either nonsense or silence. Here we seem to get mostly silence lately. A lot of nonsense can be found on various YEC websites but every possible YEC worldwide flood based interpretation of the fossil record is easily falsified by virtually countless examples that should have "sorted" opposite to what is found.

The Frumious Bandersnatch

 

[Siliconaut]

A lot of nonsense can be found on various YEC websites but every possible YEC worldwide flood based interpretation of the fossil record is easily falsified by virtually countless examples that should have "sorted" opposite to what is found.

Yep, and for most, you don't even need a shovel, so that evasion won't work.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

So this went right off the board again without a peep from the YECs here. What a surprise!

The Frumious Bandersnatch

 

[Siliconaut]

The surprise continues.

 

[troodon]

Wow, my thread has gotten quite large hasn't it

Unfortunatly, only 1 YEC even tried to explain it. And, 22 of the posts in it are bumps. Very sad that the only real discussion in this thread has been about God and His reason *for* the flood.

If anyone wants an even larger list of problem strata please direct your attention to this thread from the Christian-only forum. I had to do the bumping on that one

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Wow, my thread has gotten quite large hasn't it

Unfortunatly, only 1 YEC even tried to explain it. And, 22 of the posts in it are bumps. Very sad that the only real discussion in this thread has been about God and His reason *for* the flood.

If anyone wants an even larger list of problem strata please direct your attention to this thread from the Christian-only forum. I had to do the bumping on that one

Even with all the problems on this thread and in your other thread only a fraction of the problems that the fossil record presents for the myth of the worldwide flood have been discussed. The YEC claim that a significant fraction of the fossil record was deposited by a worldwide flood is easily and thoroughly falsified by a huge mass of data that includes literally millions upon millions of fossils and yet YECs still claim that they look at the same data and it is just a matter of interpretation. However, they don't even seem to have the faintest hint of an interpretation to offer on this subject.

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[Jet Black]

Some wag on one of these boards has said that YEC is the belief that oak trees outran velociraptors while escaping the flood.

somebody HAS to say this to Hovind.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

I see that the YECs here are still stumped by the fossil record. Seems like some things never change.

The Fumious Bandersnatch

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

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[Frumious Bandersnatch]

I see this scrolled right down to bottom again with no answers from any of the YECs around here. I guess you all do believe oak trees outran velociraptors and that before the flood willows and mangrove lived on top of the high mountains that supposedly even didn't exist before the flood and that fir and pine trees and lichens only lived down in the swamps in those days. Or what do you believe? How can you not realize that the fossil record falsifies the worldwide flood? It clearly does. All attempts to explain the fossil record as a flood deposit using biomes, hydrodynamic sorting, differential escapability or some combination of these are easily seen to be falsified by countless counter examples.

Of course geology, dendrochonology, biodiversity, archeology and biogeography and some things I probably left out also falsify the worldwide flood but the fossil record by itself should be enough to convince anyone willing to think logically about the problem that the flood of Noah did not cover the entire earth and create a significant fraction of the earth's geology and paleontology as YECs claim.

The Frumious Bandesnatch

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

CPT which we are discussing on other threads, gives this explanation for the deposition of the flood based origin of continental sediments.

A notable consequence of the flooding of the continental regions is an emergence of giant cyclonic eddies, driven by the Earth’s rotation, that circulate over the flooded continents.29 These water currents are similar in origin to the jet streams in the atmosphere and display comparable velocities of several tens of meters per second. Such currents have the power and scale to transport and distribute the quantities of sediment required to form the thick and laterally extensive sediment blankets that characterize the Paleozoic and Mesozoic portions of the continental sediment record. Since their velocities exceed the threshold for cavitation, these eddies also have considerable erosive power, sufficient for example to erode thousands of meters of crystalline rock from continental shield regions, as the field evidence indicates has occurred. Other sediment sources include the pelagic material scraped from subducting ocean plates at continent margins. In addition to clay this pelagic inventory would contain halite, gypsum, and other salts formed by rapid evaporation of seawater at the base of the steam jets.

So how does this produce the "coincidences" we see in the fossil record? Massive cyclonic currents strong enough to erode thousands of meters of crystalline rock and deosit it over hundreds of thousans of square miles should sweep up everything and deposit it in a massive jumble. How is it that there are animal tracks and nests in Permian and Jurassic and other sediments when these sediments are deposited on top of thousands of feet of other sediments that have been scraped off crystalline rock and transported across the continents by massive cyclonic currents?

Other YEC "theory" of the formation of the sedimentary record with its fossil record gets smacked down by reality.

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[Gracchus]

Giant cyclonic eddies? ROFLSHISM!

 

[BenDare]

The thread here started with some challenging paleological evidences that seem to conflict with YEC ideas about the Flood. JetBlack is right: No one of that persuasion has offered any answers. Problems rise out of interpretations of evidence and it is so easy to jump to our own pet confusions. The Bible does not tell how God created things or why or how long it took. It does say that He did it. Science verifies the approximate sequence, and a "day" is not necessarily only 24-hours long. The best scientists propose theories. Their students treat such as Truth. Let's respect one another's ignorance, O K ?

 

[Luangu]

Okay, new guy here. Whats YEC and CPT?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

YEC stands for Young Earth Creationist such as the people at Answers in Genesis(AiG) who believe the earth is just a little over 6000 years old and that there was a worldwide flood about 4300 years ago. There are some YECs who put the earth at more like 7-10 thousand years but AiG points out that a strict interpretation of Biblical geneologies requires an earth not much over 6,000 years old.

CPT stands for Catastrophic Plate Tectonics which claims that the super continent of Pangea broke up very quickly and the continents moved to their present positions very rapidly. Supposedly this somehow caused the global flood. John Baumgardner is the main author of this model which boils away the oceans and cooks the earth to death in the process of what is called runaway subduction. We have couple of threads discussing CPT that have links to most of the YEC papers on this.

http://www.christianforums.com/t58949
http://www.christianforums.com/t60449

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[Luangu]

Thanx

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

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