Co-Redeemer?

[StTherese]

well I guess if she would have said no that God would have went to someone who said yes.. This was Gods plan of redemption. Not mans.. It wasn't the fact that Mary said Yes that brought us our redemption.. It was that Christ died and shed His blood for our redemption.. The sinless life that Christ lead and the blood that He shed is our redemption.. For He alone was the spotless lamb. No one before had ever been like Him and no one after for He alone was sinless. He alone was Spotless..Every human being sins. Except for Christ.. This is just how it has been and until Christ comes back and we have our new Heaven and New earth it will be this way.. That is why we need Christ.. This is why He came.. He died so that we may live and have faith that what He did for us is our only way to the Father.. We can't get in any other way..

Well, I agree mostly with what you are saying except that the merits of Christ were applied to Mary at her conception...she was destined to be the Mother of God. It is not that we believe we are saved by Mary, for redemption comes through Christ. Coredemptrix doesn't mean that she is equal with Christ in our redemption, but only that through her obedience to the will of God, we have Christ, who is our savlation.
Her immaculate conception was not for her benefit, but so that the Holy of holies may abide in her.

 

[NDIrish]

well, what is YOUR answer since you are a know it all...

I'm not a know it all, and I disagree with your underlying premise, so I can't answer that question.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

I'm not a know it all, and I disagree with your underlying premise, so I can't answer that question.

cause it is the same as protestants having SO many..same difference. That is why you can't answer it.

 

[NDIrish]

huh???

I have no idea what that meant.

I'm off to bed...

 

[repentant]

huh???

I have no idea what that meant.

I'm off to bed...

I don't think she had any idea what that meant..

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Yes, I know what it meant as do you. YOU are just playing games now, and I have NO time or patience for it. Give me a break.

 

[repentant]

So the question (or answer to the question) I asked about what if no one said yes, is the same as to why there are all the Protestant sects?

This makes no sense..

 

[Iollain]

But wasn't the enmity put between the woman and HER offspring?

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


This is talking about God's people and satan's people. With Christ crushing satan's head.

Jhn 13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.


Jhn 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped [it]. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave [it] to Judas Iscariot, [the son] of Simon.


Jhn 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.


Rom 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you. Amen.

At the Cross and finally once and for all later.

 

[repentant]

So if Jesus is the seed of Eve.....

 

[Iollain]

Then He is a human.

 

[IamAdopted]

Well, I agree mostly with what you are saying except that the merits of Christ were applied to Mary at her conception...she was destined to be the Mother of God. It is not that we believe we are saved by Mary, for redemption comes through Christ. Coredemptrix doesn't mean that she is equal with Christ in our redemption, but only that through her obedience to the will of God, we have Christ, who is our savlation.
Her immaculate conception was not for her benefit, but so that the Holy of holies may abide in her.

No merits were given to anyone.. It is through Christ and His blood and life that any can be forgiven. Mary included. God does not work on a merit basis.. It is through Christ and Christ alone that anyone can stand before the Father.. Making Jesus the savior of His earthly mother..God don't give out merits.. He gives out faith to believe in His only begotton Son.. This all comes from God the Father so we can come to Christ the King so that we may become the Children of God..

 

[IamAdopted]

But wasn't the enmity put between the woman and HER offspring?

But now look and see who crushed the Head of the serpent. He did..Jesus did. Her offspring is her children and so on and so forth for all generations. THen Jesus comes along and crushes Him..So now where is the sting of death? Jesus defeated it.. He rose up victorious..

 

[IamAdopted]

So if Jesus is the seed of Eve.....

Awe but who else is He the seed of? For He was before He came. He created this serpent.. Did He not.. this serpent was at one time a beautiful angel that filled with pride and down he came and he has been trying to deceive the nations and Gods people ever since.. Then came Jesus to crush His head.. To redeem mankind from the enemy's snare.. That is why when we are born again we are translated out the the darkness and into the light.. For Jesus is the light of the world.. His word is a light unto our path..

 

[Uphill Battle]

So God would have just kept going down some divine list of women to ask until He finally found someone to say yes? And Mary was just fortunate enough to be asked first? You make it sould like He's a desperate teenager looking for a date to the prom.

you make it sound like he would need to be.

Do you really seriously think that Mary could thwart God's will?

Do you really think that all of Heaven was waiting with bated breath while Mary made up her mind? Please.

If you read the text, nowhere does it state that God ASKED anything. The angel TOLD Mary what was about to happen. The fact that she was obedient in the matter is commendable, however the incarnation did not go or stall on her say so!

Beyond that, everyone is saying "the curse was lifted when she said yes" which is complete tripe. The curse of sin was dealt with when Jesus sacrificed himself on the cross. Mary didn't do that.

 

[sunlover1]

Well, maybe you are right, but that must say something about Mary if God knew she would not deny Him...no?

Yes, Mary was very blessed among
women.

There isn't a woman alive who would
have said no to God when He said
here's what's going to happen,
(He is GOD after all)
but Praise God for Mary who is blessed
among women.

 

[StTherese]

There isn't a woman alive who would
have said no to God when He said
here's what's going to happen,
(He is GOD after all)

Tell that to Eve...

 

[sunlover1]

Tell that to Eve...

We're talking about carrying the Son
of God. Was there really choice involved?

Yes, not just eve, we all sin.

You get my point.

I'm sorry, I cannot agree that Mary is
co this or rix that.

She was just a woman, not a god.

 

[IamAdopted]

Tell that to Eve...

But the angel told Mary.. The serpent deceived Eve. How can this be compared? The serpent is quite cleaver.. Takes part of what God says and adds to or takes away from.. To make it more desireable to the human brain.. thank God for Christ and His word to show us the light in which to walk..

 

[StTherese]

We're talking about carrying the Son
of God. Was there really choice involved?

She did have free-will.

I'm sorry, I cannot agree that Mary is
co this or rix that.

She was just a woman, not a god.

I too agree that Mary is not a god...I don't know any Catholics that would say she is.
If co-redemptrix means that Mary is equal to Christ then I disagree with this title...but, that is not what it means. (Actually, this is not even a dogma of the Church.)

 

[sunlover1]

She did have free-will.

She did, so did Paul.
My point was that there were other
women, it wasn't dependant
on Mary in any way shape or form.

Blessed is she among women

I too agree that Mary is not a god...I don't know any Catholics that would say she is.
If co-redemptrix means that Mary is equal to Christ then I disagree with this title...but, that is not what it means. (Actually, this is not even a dogma of the Church.)

I'm sorry if you got the impression that
I was insinuating that Mary is like a god
to you.
That's between you and God.
I wasn't implying anything.