Circumcision

[April_Rose]

Actually, I did not come up with it. You can thank the Catholic Church for that. The point was made in response to the point concerning the relative pain of childbirth and, in particular, Mary's pain. This is not germane to the point of this thread and I will leave it rest.

Well please start another topic on this I'm intrigued now.

 

[coffee4u]

Actually, the Catholic dogma of the Perpetual Virginity of Mary has a rather nifty explanation of the birth of Jesus Christ. In order to preserve her virginity forever, her hymen could not be broken. Therefore, she could not have given birth vaginally. As a result Jesus was born in a sort of proto-Caesarian section, through Mary's side and without the slightest pain on her part.

Yes, and some people believe they got pregnant by aliens too...

Mary gave birth the normal way.
Then she went on and had sex, multiple times, with Joseph and had a slew of other children, all the normal way.
the Gospel of Matthew (13:55–56) mention James, Joseph/Joses, Judas/Jude and Simon as brothers of Jesus, the son of Mary. The same verses also mention unnamed sisters of Jesus. That means sex, at least 6 times.

I will pick the Bible.

 

[April_Rose]

Yes, and some people believe they got pregnant by aliens too...

Are you talking about my ancestors?

 

[Thera]

Every time the Doctor regenerated, it was as a man - until recently.
Not that I watch it any more.

Likewise. I only realised recently there had been many more regenerations, and was disgusted to find that the latest regeneration was a woman. Trying to peddle a message to children that a man can become a woman. Evil.

 

[Isilwen]

Likewise. I only realised recently there had been many more regenerations, and was disgusted to find that the latest regeneration was a woman. Trying to peddle a message to children that a man can become a woman. Evil.

You do know it's science fiction, right? Key word being fiction?

 

[Thera]

The female foreskin is the fold of skin that surrounds and protects the clitoral hood. I know it bears little resemblance but it does have the same fine nerve endings.
Both sexes start off with the same exact parts in utero and then change into what they should be -for most people anyway.

This sounds like the perverse trans-agenda to me. Part of the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] that bears no resemblence to a foreskin but is called a female foreskin? Isn't that as wrong as calling the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] a female penis? No offense meant if that is what it is called in medical literature, but it sounds like the LBGQT agenda to me. I know you are against circumcision, but it sounds to me like it's an effort to equate circumcision with FGM. While I can see for and against for circumcision, FGM is much worse (except possibly for the pin-prick type you mentioned on the other thread).

How in the world did you come up with that twisted logic? There were no C-sections back then and first of all I don't care what Catholics say it was written in the Bible that Mary had other children the normal way with Joseph,.. and second of all what does Jesus coming out of Mary's butt or not (which He did like all babies) have to do with virginity?

I think you might have your anatomy back-to-front. Babies come through the birth canal.

 

[Thera]

You do know it's science fiction, right? Key word being fiction?

Yes. But fiction can be (and is) used to send moral messages. In this case, a wrong message, that a man can become a woman (as in the LGBQT agenda).

 

[Thera]

let's hope not, they would never survive the pain. Us women are made of way tougher stuff.
This is OT but have you seen those guys hooked up to the 'labour simulator' lol.

I was in labour for 12 hours with my daughter before having a C-section and I had a friend who went 24 hours with her 11 pound son and I have heard of even longer labours. These guys can't last 2 hours!

I'd actually like to see a woman on one of those "labour simulators". By the looks, the simulation is worse than the real thing!

 

[Isilwen]

Yes. But fiction can be (and is) used to send moral messages. In this case, a wrong message, that a man can become a woman (as in the LGBQT agenda).

That is not what Doctor Who was doing. It was always a possibility that he can regenerate into a woman.

 

[Thera]

That is not what Doctor Who was doing. It was always a possibility that he can regenerate into a woman.

No it wasn't. In the earlier days, when society was not as corrupted, it was inconceivable that he would regenerate as a woman. This nonsense has only occurred in recent times with the LGBQT agenda.

 

[Isilwen]

No it wasn't. In the earlier days, when society was not as corrupted, it was inconceivable that he would regenerate as a woman. This nonsense has only occurred in recent times with the LGBQT agenda.

I guess when you look for the devil in everything, everything will have a devil in it. I choose not to live my life like that!

 

[Thera]

I guess when you look for the devil in everything, everything will have a devil in it. I choose not to live my life like that!

Neither looking for the devil in everything, nor denying the devil in anything, are healthy extremes to live by.

 

[Isilwen]

Neither looking for the devil in everything, nor denying the devil in anything, are healthy extremes to live by.

If you say so!

I have no issues with LGBQT people. My teenage daughter is gay. I love her and support her. If she lived close to me I might even attend LGBQT meetings with her.

 

[Thera]

If you say so!

I have no issues with LGBQT people. My teenage daughter is gay. I love her and support her. If she lived close to me I might even attend LGBQT meetings with her.

Matthew 10:32-42
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

 

[Isilwen]

Matthew 10:32-42
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

So you are saying that Jesus said I need to cut my daughter out of my life? You assume much to assume that I deny Jesus.

She knows what she's doing is sin, it is my job to continue to live her and support her. She is still not yet an adult.

 

[Thera]

So you are saying that Jesus said I need to cut my daughter out of my life?

She knows what she's doing is sin, it is my job to continue to live her and support her. She is still not yet an adult.

Is that how Jesus behaved with sinners? I think "Go and sin no more" were His words on many occasions.

 

[Isilwen]

Is that how Jesus behaved with sinners?

If I cast her away, she will hate me forever. I will not do that to her. She needs my support, not for me to shun her!

Maybe I need to leave Christianity if I will be required to shun my 14 year old daughter!

 

[Thera]

If I cast her away, she will hate me forever. I will not do that to her. She needs my support, not for me to shun her!

Maybe I need to leave Christianity if I will be required to shun my 14 year old daughter!

Jesus never cast anyone away.

 

[Isilwen]

Jesus never cast anyone away.

Then explain what you are saying instead of being cryptic, please.

 

[Thera]

Then explain what you are saying instead of being cryptic, please.

I was quoting scripture. Matthew said that the love of Christ would cause conflict, even within families. So if there is conflict within your family because of Christ, Jesus spoke of it long ago.