Circumcision

[armyman_83]

Jews are required to be circumcised, and as I am a "Jew" (since I follow Yahweh) I feel that circumcision is good and neseccary. I am circumcised and my sons shall also be, and their sons, and so forth.
While it is not needed, in my opinion, for salvation; I feel it is like baptisim: if you can get baptised then do it (but if you don't your not going to go to hell)

We should be circumcised of the heart and body.

Oh: and if a baby is circumcised on the 8th day, as is commanded by God, it is the baby's highest pain tolerance. I can't remember a thing about it and I turned out pretty well, I didn't remebered the pain and I bet no one else did either who has had it done.

 

[JesusWalks78]

The way I figure...my kids are going to sue me for something, so why not start from birth LOL

Going back to the Bible, I hope that no one circumcised their child based on the Bible. If they did well...oh my. If your planning on doing so, dont circumcise at all!!

For those about to have babies, please do lots of reading (medical Pros and Cons), and then make your own choice, based on your own knowledge...

Okay, now Im outta this topic.

In Fiji it is a big deal, it is based on the bible.

When boys turn six, they all get marched down to the hospital and get circumcised.....its quite a sight, all these little boys with a "sulu" (like a sarong), and they get cut and go home. Then you see them all swiming in the salt water everyday....you can use saline solution I guess, but we use the ocean.

The day that the scab falls off there is a big feast and all the family get together (I mean family....cousins, and there cousins maybe about 50 to 100 people) and they hold a feast in your honour.

It is based on the bible, Fijians didnt circumcise before the arrival of christianity. It is actually a bad thing to be uncircumsised...you get branded a KULINA.....which translated means "skin"

Its a right of passage, thankfully my son will never have to go through it, it is quite a painful ordeal.

 

[tocis]

Is it moral and/or ethical to circumcise male newborns? The procedure is painful and unnecessary and results in a permanent disfigurement. I adamantly oppose the performing of circumcisions.

100 % agreed.
If someone wants to get circumcised for whatever reason, let him decide that when he's old enough to speak and decide for himself.

 

[Skaloop]

Jews are required to be circumcised, and as I am a "Jew" (since I follow Yahweh) I feel that circumcision is good and neseccary.

But why is it good and necesary? What purpose does it serve?

I am circumcised and my sons shall also be, and their sons, and so forth.

And if your sons decide not to circumcise your grandsons?

Oh: and if a baby is circumcised on the 8th day, as is commanded by God, it is the baby's highest pain tolerance. I can't remember a thing about it and I turned out pretty well, I didn't remebered the pain and I bet no one else did either who has had it done.

I doubt anyone who was snipped on the 8th day remembers it consciously, but there's a good chance that their subconscious was affected. Regardless of pain tolerance, it's a very painful procedure on a very delicate part of the body, and it can traumatize a baby in ways we can't imagine.

 

[ReverendDG]

The AIDS risk is pretty much a red-herring. Does non-circumcision make it easier to contract HIV? Possibly. But circumcision doesn't prevent it, and so either way there is a significant risk. Again, this is easily managed through safe sex practices. The slight decrease in HIV transmission is hardly enough to offset the cruelty of the procedure.
maybe about HIV, but the foreskin isn't very thick eather, there are chances of damaging it. over say not having it
There are also benefits of not circumcising such as increased sensitivity in the head of the penis, and therefore greater pleasure suring sexual activity.
this has been found to be untrue, there is no evidence that the foreskin increases or decreases sensistivity, and anyway how would removing something below the head effect the head exactly?
Oh, and none of the uncircumcised men I know want it any other way, either.

until they hurt the foreskin that is
being smart about sex, changes this, but being smart about everying reduces a lot of things

 

[The Princess Bride]

The only VALID still standing arguement I see in favor of circumsision is that it keeps the area cleaner, with a less risk of infection from occuring in the folded skin. Besides that, for men who are not circumcised, if they keep good hygiene, it isnt an issue.

Otherwise, I think it is a personal choice.

 

[Skaloop]

this has been found to be untrue, there is no evidence that the foreskin increases or decreases sensistivity, and anyway how would removing something below the head effect the head exactly?

Well, for one thing, the foreskin does house nerve endings, so those are lost. Second of all, with the foreskin intact, the head of the penis is covered when the penis is flaccid. It is therefore protected until erection, when the sensitive head is exposed. In circumcised penises, the head is not as well protected and is therefore subject to desensitization due to constant rubbing and friction.

 

[armyman_83]

But why is it good and necesary? What purpose does it serve?

While you may not accept this argument, to me it still holds weight: God commanded us to do it.
Perhaps for the reasons which others have said before: Health reasons. Sure if you can clean down there its great, but not everyone can that well (or else there wouldn't be people getting UT infections).

While I am not too concered with STD's (as I believe in abstanence until you are wed), it does make sense for the man to not endanger his wife. A man who is circumsised will be way way way less likely to give his wife cirvical cancer (I assure you it is true though I do not have the records and stats on the top of my head).

Perhaps Yahweh, who is above all, just wanted to show who His people were?

And if your sons decide not to circumcise your grandsons?

Then I would have been either a poor father, or either he would have been a poor son, or both.

I doubt anyone who was snipped on the 8th day remembers it consciously, but there's a good chance that their subconscious was affected. Regardless of pain tolerance, it's a very painful procedure on a very delicate part of the body, and it can traumatize a baby in ways we can't imagine.

Perhaps so. If so what is it? What do men who are circumcised suffer that men who are uncircumcised don't?

 

[christalee4]

All I can say is ew to the 3rd power. I definitely believe in circumcision. It's clean and much nicer. My cousin had to have her nine year old son circumcised, due to reoccurring infection. I'm personally for circumcision, but you can do what you want.

 

[united4Peace]

I said I was out of this topic but I cant resist as being one who circumcised her babies and is married to one who is circumcised, (Atheist to boot-he that is) since we both decided to circumcise with no regards to Religion or to the Bible so whatever I need to ask, what really is the big deal?

How many men really compare with each other and take notes?
How many of us moms really sit around and "Gee you had little Johhny (clipped/not clipped) your such a horrible parent!" ?
Like really none of my kids friends and them sit around talking about whose parents had who clipped, they could care aless.
Why did we have them done, because we decided at the time with the information the doctors gave us (which was information on both the pros and cons) that we would go the route we did, so sorry dear son if we messed you up, our moms and dads messed us up in many ways also LOL.
Like seriously get over it.
Now if one is getting an older child circumcized that does not need circumcized then in my opinion that is cruelty. As I said a friend Had to have her 2 yr old done due to bladder, otherwise he would never have been done.

However if one or neither of our sons dont get their sons circumcized that is their business...not mine, not my husbands, not the nieghbours, not the Church's, and not yours, it's between them and their wives, partners or whomever they are with

 

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[Mrs.Sidhe]

All I can say is ew to the 3rd power. I definitely believe in circumcision. It's clean and much nicer. My cousin had to have her nine year old son circumcised, due to reoccurring infection. I'm personally for circumcision, but you can do what you want.

Um..you do know someone can be uncircumsized and stay clean right?

As for it being nicer do you mean on an aesthetic level? Because that really isn't a reason you should consider in having your son circumsized. Uncircumsized or circumsized it does not do anything to its function. The main issue I think should be considering whether or not the parent is going to take the time to teach their child how to clean himself properly and while the child is an infant if the parent is willing to clean the child properly untill the child is able to do it themself.

I'm sorry your cousin's nine year old had to be circumsized because of infection but not all people have that problem.

Again, not that I'm trying to bash parents who decided to go ahead with cirumcision for their child but I do think a point needed to be made with the cleanliness issues.

Also the OP was addressing the possible moral or ethical implications of subjecting a infant to a surgery without medical reason, so I don't know exactly what the "ew" factor has to do with this.

 

[jgarden]

1 Corinthians 7: 18-20

18 Was any man called when he was already circumcised? He is not to become uncircumcised. Has anyone been called in uncircumcision? (R)He is not to be circumcised.

19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

20 Each man must remain in that condition in which he was called.
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Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles, disagreed with many Jewish Christians that one must be circumcized as a prerequisite to becoming a Christian. At that time, circumcision was an anathema to the Gentiles because it was considered a form of mutilating the human body in Greek culture.

Today the situation is reversed and most Gentiles have their baby boys "circumcized."

It should be noted that both my father and father-in-law were both circumcized as adults due to infection.

 

[Adriac]

As for it being nicer do you mean on an aesthetic level? Because that really isn't a reason you should consider in having your son circumsized. Uncircumsized or circumsized it does not do anything to its function. The main issue I think should be considering whether or not the parent is going to take the time to teach their child how to clean himself properly and while the child is an infant if the parent is willing to clean the child properly untill the child is able to do it themself.

Surely that is a question which should be asked when deciding whether to become a parent, not whether to cut off the child's earlobes. I mean, foreskin.

 

[Chajara]

This is something I don't intend to have done on my boys, whether my husband likes it or not. I just don't see the point, and the arguments I've seen have yet to convince me.

Interestingly enough, I've talked to guys about it and most of them just think an uncircumcised penis is "gross". I find it amusing that they're grossed out by their own bits in their natural state, but whatever. When I talked to a guy from England, on the other hand, and told him that most men here are circumcised, his eyes got really big and his response was "Why? You Americans are /weird/."

 

[fuzzymel]

Its not common practice in England. It only really gets done if its medically necessary.

I doubt all English men are unhygenic because they dont have a body part removed though.

 

[LouTheWicked]

"You were a bad boy and now they'll cut your willy off and tell you it was for medical purposes."

Dang, I wish I could've said that to my brother when he was getting circumsized.