Circumcision

[Febe]

If I get this right, You practise circumcision...
Are You baptized as well???
My guess would be bouth.
Or?

 

[jgonz]

Are You baptized as well???

Oh yes, Messianics practice baptism, as did Jews (ritual immersion). Now how this is accomplished is another thread. lol

 

[Febe]

Is it necessary to make things so difficult for a poor Christian, that is not of the chosen people and also a foreigner with difficulties with the language?
Only joking! Or, at least, partly!

Oh yes, Messianics practice baptism, as did Jews (ritual immersion). Now how this is accomplished is another thread. lol

 

[jgonz]

Sorry, I wasn't trying to make anything difficult.... Yes, Messianics believe in and practice baptism.

 

[Febe]

Sorry, I wasn't trying to make anything difficult.... Yes, Messianics believe in and practice baptism.

Circumsion AND baptizm!
Thanks!

G-d bless You all!
Looking forward to meeting You in eternity...
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[Tishri1]

Why were they not circumcising in the wilderness?

bump.... Plus why didn't they keep passover in the wilderness? I heared that they only kept it once out there

 

[Tishri1]

bump

 

[Tishri1]

it's in here

http://www.torahresource.com/English Articles/The Great Commission.pdf

read it and tell me what you think!

 

[plum]

I have that one printed out and I read it a few months ago. which part of it would you like us to discuss? maybe page numbers?

help me out

 

[Tishri1]

I have that one printed out and I read it a few months ago. which part of it would you like us to discuss? maybe page numbers?

help me out

pages 7 & 8 the part about how the sages said circumcision was optional AND how Yeshua said make disciples baptising...but did not mention circumcision hmmmmm

 

[Tishri1]

pages 7 & 8 the part about how the sages said circumcision was optional AND how Yeshua said make disciples baptising...but did not mention circumcision hmmmmm

bump I think I found it what do you guys think?

 

[stone]

actually Wags and Yovel are correct from what i have read, and i have found so many errors in this thread. I tried to make it all the way through with out replying but it is so difficult to hold back the truth.

 

[stone]

Genesis 17:7-14 7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. 9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. 10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. 12 And he that is eight F82 days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. ****

Now, keep in mind this is father speaking these words, not an apostle, his words are everlasting remember, that is why the uncircumcised could not cross Jordan, otherwise father would have broken his covenant with us, by allowing the uncircumcised to cross, it would have been his error, and that is not going to happen.

Now, show me where Paul says to disregard the word of g-d? nevermind, i'll just quote the other replies.

 

[stone]

Yovel, do you think Paul wanted them to get circ* later then?

Paul would have wanted them to make that decision on their own. Once they learned the torah, which was the scripture at that time, they would not have wanted to be cut off i assure you.

 

[stone]

Would that include all the laws regarding stoning?

stoning has nothing to do with circumcision, stoning is the award for sin, if you were caught, and baptism and repentance, the good news is that you could be forgiven, and y-shua said that he did not abolish any part of the law.

 

[stone]

Here is the big question that I have, since we are on the subject of circ. I am a Christian, who embraces my Jewish roots through Jesus. I have not been circ. Does that cut me off from the blessings that those who have experienced circ. have?

I don't feel any conviction toward having it done, but that is something that I've wondered. If that was not an appropriate question to ask here, mods please delete.

Billy

It is written that you will be cut off from your people, but it does not deny you into the kingdom, according to maintaining faith in Y-shua\Adon-i; it seems he has a way to save alot of people here in the end. This is how the scripture reads, so maybe this explains the mentioning of more than one heaven? good question.

The wording from father mentions soul being cutoff, that indicates the next world, nothing about forbidding blessings to you in this one.

 

[stone]

ok, this is the one i was looking for:


1Co 7:18 - Was someone already circumcised when he was called? Then he should not try to remove the marks of his circumcision. Was someone uncircumcised when he was called? He shouldn't undergo b'rit-milah. 19 Being circumcised means nothing, and being uncircumcised means nothing; what does mean something is keeping God's commandments.

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and there you have it, he is seperateing works and faith, but he is trying so hard to pound it into folks heads that the 2 must go together. By this, the 1st commandment is fulfilled. I obey my father because i love him.

 

[Yovel]

Now, keep in mind this is father speaking these words, not an apostle, his words are everlasting remember, that is why the uncircumcised could not cross Jordan, otherwise father would have broken his covenant with us, by allowing the uncircumcised to cross, it would have been his error, and that is not going to happen.

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Stone, I hate to burst your bubble, read Yehoshua chapters 3-5, Yehoshua had sent two spies before they crossed the Jordan to go and view the land, especially Jericho. Rahab helped the spies escape and they promised that she and her family would be saved when they came to destroy Jericho.

After the spies came back, Israel crossed over the Jordan on dry land and took stones from out of the middle, one stone for each of the tribes for a memorial.

Jos 5:1 It happened, when all the kings of the Amori, who were beyond the Yarden westward, and all the kings of the Kena`anim, who were by the sea, heard how that the LORD had dried up the waters of the Yarden from before the children of Yisra'el, until we were passed over, that their heart melted, neither was there spirit in them any more, because of the children of Yisra'el.
2 At that time the LORD said to Yehoshua, Make you flint knives, and circumcise again the children of Yisra'el the second time.
3 Yehoshua made himself flint knives, and circumcised the children of Yisra'el at the hill of `Aralot.
4 This is the cause why Yehoshua did circumcise: all the people who came forth out of Egypt, who were males, even all the men of war, died in the wilderness by the way, after they came forth out of Egypt.
5 For all the people who came out were circumcised; but all the people who were born in the wilderness by the way as they came forth out of Egypt, they had not circumcised.
6 For the children of Yisra'el walked forty years in the wilderness, until all the nation, even the men of war who came forth out of Egypt, were consumed, because they didn't listen to the voice of the LORD: to whom the LORD swore that he wouldn't let them see the land which the LORD swore to their fathers that he would give us, a land flowing with milk and honey.
7 Their children, whom he raised up in their place, them did Yehoshua circumcise: for they were uncircumcised, because they had not circumcised them by the way.

So they were not circ'd until after they crossed the Jordan.

 

[stone]

don't worry, i don't have a bubble, i want to learn everything correctly.

It says that they were circumcised a 2nd time after they crossed? interesting???

i posted where i had read they were circumcised before crossing, now you have shown where it states that they were circumcised a 2nd time after crossing?? I don't get it? how can you be circumcised twice, with knives??? Maybe it wasn't done completely and properly the 1st time?

In any case, it still reads that they weren't given the land till that was done.

 

[stone]

2 At that time the LORD said to Yehoshua, Make you flint knives, and circumcise again the children of Yisra'el the second time.