Circumcision

[visionary]

A nick symbolically symbolises circumcision into the faith... especially for those who were circumcised as babies and later come into the faith.

 

[Tishri1]

This is truely a challenging subject! My heart tells me that a child should be circ* at birth if his parents have a saving Faith in Yeshua, but that as an adult, it is up to the person weather or not to do it, as the act itself doesnt save you, Yeshua does...IMO circ* is a picture of our flesh being removed at the olam habah when we all recieve glorified bodies that will never see corrumption...One day we will all be circ* from head to toe(and it wont hurt either )

 

[Yovel]

don't worry, i don't have a bubble, i want to learn everything correctly.

It says that they were circumcised a 2nd time after they crossed? interesting???

i posted where i had read they were circumcised before crossing, now you have shown where it states that they were circumcised a 2nd time after crossing?? I don't get it? how can you be circumcised twice, with knives??? Maybe it wasn't done completely and properly the 1st time?

In any case, it still reads that they weren't given the land till that was done.

I think the first time they were circ' was before they came out of Eygpt. I don't see where they were circ' during the time they went thru the wilderness for forty years.

Jos 5:2 At that time the LORD said to Yehoshua, Make you flint knives, and circumcise again the children of Yisra'el the second time.
3 Yehoshua made himself flint knives, and circumcised the children of Yisra'el at the hill of `Aralot.
4 This is the cause why Yehoshua did circumcise: all the people who came forth out of Egypt, who were males, even all the men of war, died in the wilderness by the way, after they came forth out of Egypt.
5 For all the people who came out were circumcised; but all the people who were born in the wilderness by the way as they came forth out of Egypt, they had not circumcised.
6 For the children of Yisra'el walked forty years in the wilderness, until all the nation, even the men of war who came forth out of Egypt, were consumed, because they didn't listen to the voice of the LORD: to whom the LORD swore that he wouldn't let them see the land which the LORD swore to their fathers that he would give us, a land flowing with

In verses 5 and 6 it says all had been circ'd when they came out of Eygpt. They were in the wilderness for two years before Moshe sent the spys to spy out the land. When the spys gave a bad report, G-d said all those of the age 20 and over would die in the wilderness because they believed a bad report. There were a bunch of kids and young men under 20 that were circ'd, but no one during there traveling thru the wilderness was circ'd. so maybe these young guys are the ones that got circ'd again when they crossed the Jordan.

That is the only way I can see that anyone was cir'd twice. All I know for sure is that no one was circ'd during the forty years they wandered in the wilderness.

It is an interesting question though.

 

[stone]

Show me where, in christ words, he says that no one should be circumcised? Then show me where i have worked to undue anything that christ has said?

I recall the words of christ:

Matthew 5:17-20 17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Now take a look at what you said to me. Do you not teach lawlessness?

 

[mister_e]

Show me where, in christ words, he says that no one should be circumcised? Then show me where i have worked to undue anything that christ has said?

I recall the words of christ:

Matthew 5:17-20 17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Now take a look at what you said to me. Do you not teach lawlessness?

Are you saying then that Paul got it wrong when he argued publicly with Peter that Gentiles should not be cicumcised?

 

[stone]

gentiles and circumcision doesn't make any sense, since it was the seed of Abraham that the covenant was made with for Israel, not the gentiles. The gentiles live in their own land, their own nations, not in Israel. I suppose if they want to become part of the jewish people, and live in Israel, then that may be another story. I'm still trying to put this all together myself. What do you think?