Circular Reasoning

[Split Rock]

Here's the deal. The whole evolution camp is powerful. They control the education system and the scientific world. If anyone disagrees or even hints at something different or something that would cause the "theory" of evolution to stumble, it is ridiculed and the person is discredited.

If you research the history of North America and South America and put the history books you had in school away for a bit, open your mind to the possibility that they either had it wrong or covered up things that made the TOE questionable, You will start to see things in a different light.

I have looked at some pictures of giant skeletons on sights that claim they are real, fake and some sights discrediting them still have some that just say they "believe" it to be faked and some that are actually real. (The photo at the bottom is real, in Peru, huge proportions.)

We have been programed to see these as unreal, impossible and unnatural. This is due to how we were programed to believe the world is the way, it got this way the way we were told, and that it always has been this way.

It is, therefore, easy for evolutionists to shout "fake" and everyone tosses it out. They shout "conspiracy nut" at people who are aware that the Smithsonian has hid, destroyed, ignored and denied anything that doesn't fit the story line we have been force fed.

There are numerous skulls, real, that are not human, but human like, that are huge, huge brain cavities, double rows of teeth and larger eye sockets. Google them, they are all over the place in South America.

There are areas at the base of the Grand Canyon that nobody is allowed to go, it is forbidden. What are they hiding. Google that too but expect to get pounded by "fake" or conspiracy type rhetoric.

Finally, look at the pictographs in Egypt. they have opened new tombs that show figures carving many of the huge structures there. The scale of the figure to the megalithic sculpture they are carving means they would dwarf modern humans. Yes, the sculptures are still around today to make real proportionate comparisons. There are also many figures with cattle that come to their waste while other figures are normal heights in the same pictograph. They are the seal on the fact that giants were around.

Why ignore it, dispute it and toss it out?

Aren't you afraid that the evil, mighty Evolutionist-Smithsonian-National Park Service Cabal is going to "pay you a visit" for revealing their dastardly plot?

 

[Split Rock]

Here's the deal. The whole evolution camp is powerful. They control the education system and the scientific world. If anyone disagrees or even hints at something different or something that would cause the "theory" of evolution to stumble, it is ridiculed and the person is discredited.

If you research the history of North America and South America and put the history books you had in school away for a bit, open your mind to the possibility that they either had it wrong or covered up things that made the TOE questionable, You will start to see things in a different light.

I have looked at some pictures of giant skeletons on sights that claim they are real, fake and some sights discrediting them still have some that just say they "believe" it to be faked and some that are actually real. (The photo at the bottom is real, in Peru, huge proportions.)

We have been programed to see these as unreal, impossible and unnatural. This is due to how we were programed to believe the world is the way, it got this way the way we were told, and that it always has been this way.

It is, therefore, easy for evolutionists to shout "fake" and everyone tosses it out. They shout "conspiracy nut" at people who are aware that the Smithsonian has hid, destroyed, ignored and denied anything that doesn't fit the story line we have been force fed.

There are numerous skulls, real, that are not human, but human like, that are huge, huge brain cavities, double rows of teeth and larger eye sockets. Google them, they are all over the place in South America.

There are areas at the base of the Grand Canyon that nobody is allowed to go, it is forbidden. What are they hiding. Google that too but expect to get pounded by "fake" or conspiracy type rhetoric.

Finally, look at the pictographs in Egypt. they have opened new tombs that show figures carving many of the huge structures there. The scale of the figure to the megalithic sculpture they are carving means they would dwarf modern humans. Yes, the sculptures are still around today to make real proportionate comparisons. There are also many figures with cattle that come to their waste while other figures are normal heights in the same pictograph. They are the seal on the fact that giants were around.

Why ignore it, dispute it and toss it out?

I found this article online which may interest you:

The Case of the Strange Skulls

 

[Herman Hedning]

I found this article online which may interest you:

The Case of the Strange Skulls

Oh noez! Another page from the evil skeptic conspiracy. Stay away from such, lest you be turned away from the true path of gullibility.

 

[RickG]

i don't see how this applies, but okay, if you say so.

Once again, your radiometric dating source is one in which the author is trying to show that radiometric dating is not reliable. He presents a young earth creationist view.

In presenting his view he only presents "well known problems" that can be encountered in radiometric dating. What your source does not do is provide any information on how "all of the problems he presents", are observed, quantified, and avoided. In doing this, he leaves his readers with the opinion that the described problems cannot be solved or avoided, and you (one of his readers), and also a layman, have bought into it.

Also, recall the biblical analogy I provided earlier, where I quoted the bible stating several times that "there is no God. Thus, even the bible denies God. The fact is, by presenting only that little bit and not including the context of those verses or providing additional information to the contrary, I performed the same dishonest act as your source with respect to radiometric dating.

Honesty, I don't know how I can present your sources problem any clearer.

 

[dad]

Why would remains not last long in the past?

Hey, who knows?! Since science doesn't I'll lean toward the bible's 'from dust you are and to dust you will return' record of how it worked!

Not to fossils will you go...but to dust. There is no science that can oppose that. Just a bunch of folks who willingly chose to misread the fossils.

 

[Loudmouth]

Hey, who knows?!

You claim to know, so show us.

Since science doesn't I'll lean toward the bible's 'from dust you are and to dust you will return' record of how it worked!

Science doesn't what?

Not to fossils will you go...but to dust. There is no science that can oppose that. Just a bunch of folks who willingly chose to misread the fossils.

What evidence would you accept?

 

[dad]

You claim to know, so show us.

The reasons I know God is true and His word have nothing much to do with so called science. The record indicates that man, whom we know was here from the beginning by God's Own mouth, is not in the fossil record early on. God said Adam would return to dust not a fossil.

All that is left is the simple and honest question 'what does science KNOW about how fossilization worked in the Cambrian period, or other early periods'? Do we KNOW that current physics was in place and all things that now lead to slow fossilization? No.

Now's your chance to show your stuff.

Science doesn't what?

Science does not know that Adam would have fossilized or most creatures alive in that day. That's what.

What evidence would you accept?

What ya got?

 

[RickG]

Hmmmm! Now let's see. What was the topic of this thread? da-de-da-dah. Oh yeah! Now I remember.

"Circular reasoning" is one of the claims made in the Creation Science community concerning "Relative" dating methods used by geologists. An example is: Rocks date the fossils and fossils date the rocks.
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Anyone care to expound upon that?

 

[crjmurray]

Here's the deal. The whole evolution camp is powerful. They control the education system and the scientific world. If anyone disagrees or even hints at something different or something that would cause the "theory" of evolution to stumble, it is ridiculed and the person is discredited.

If you research the history of North America and South America and put the history books you had in school away for a bit, open your mind to the possibility that they either had it wrong or covered up things that made the TOE questionable, You will start to see things in a different light.

I have looked at some pictures of giant skeletons on sights that claim they are real, fake and some sights discrediting them still have some that just say they "believe" it to be faked and some that are actually real. (The photo at the bottom is real, in Peru, huge proportions.)

We have been programed to see these as unreal, impossible and unnatural. This is due to how we were programed to believe the world is the way, it got this way the way we were told, and that it always has been this way.

It is, therefore, easy for evolutionists to shout "fake" and everyone tosses it out. They shout "conspiracy nut" at people who are aware that the Smithsonian has hid, destroyed, ignored and denied anything that doesn't fit the story line we have been force fed.

There are numerous skulls, real, that are not human, but human like, that are huge, huge brain cavities, double rows of teeth and larger eye sockets. Google them, they are all over the place in South America.

There are areas at the base of the Grand Canyon that nobody is allowed to go, it is forbidden. What are they hiding. Google that too but expect to get pounded by "fake" or conspiracy type rhetoric.

Finally, look at the pictographs in Egypt. they have opened new tombs that show figures carving many of the huge structures there. The scale of the figure to the megalithic sculpture they are carving means they would dwarf modern humans. Yes, the sculptures are still around today to make real proportionate comparisons. There are also many figures with cattle that come to their waste while other figures are normal heights in the same pictograph. They are the seal on the fact that giants were around.

Why ignore it, dispute it and toss it out?

If you actually have evidence for aaaanyyyyy of the things you're suggesting, then why not go create a thread on the topic instead of derailing this one with more giant talk?

 

[Strathos]

If remains could not last long in that former time, none are expected, any more than for pre flood man.

Yeah, I know what your views are, but others are claiming that these remains exist today and have been discovered but are being covered up.

 

[lasthero]

Hmmmm! Now let's see. What was the topic of this thread? da-de-da-dah. Oh yeah! Now I remember.

"Circular reasoning" is one of the claims made in the Creation Science community concerning "Relative" dating methods used by geologists. An example is: Rocks date the fossils and fossils date the rocks.
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Anyone care to expound upon that?

This is why i like forums like EvC. There, the moderators force things to stay on topic and request that people actually debate in a formal, reasonable manner. Plus, it's frequented by many experienced people, many of whom will give detailed and intelligent answers to any questions.

Creationists largely avoid sites like that, though. Shame.

 

[crjmurray]

This is why i like forums like EvC. There, the moderators force things to stay on topic and request that people actually debate in a formal, reasonable manner. Plus, it's frequented by many experienced people, many of whom will give detailed and intelligent answers to any questions.

Creationists largely avoid sites like that, though. Shame.

Why would they avoid honest debate with objective moderators?

 

[dad]

This is why i like forums like EvC. There, the moderators force things to stay on topic and request that people actually debate in a formal, reasonable manner.

I can testify first hand that they actually abuse their rights and censor truth and bible and anything that doesn't fit into the cultish little box that they use to fight God and put forth a deceptive veneer of fairness.

 

[dad]

Yeah, I know what your views are, but others are claiming that these remains exist today and have been discovered but are being covered up.

Ha. I guess they figure it is good to be dishonest for God.

 

[RickG]

Ha. I guess they figure it is good to be dishonest for God.

As the "Creation Science" literature is by misrepresenting the way in which index fossils provide a means of "relative dating". And by doing that, they are only degrading the Christian faith.

 

[Astrophile]

you cannot possibly feign ignorance with a straight face.
we were flat out lied to in school, and boldly.
the various fossil frauds, piltdown is the best known.

I was taught as a child that it is impolite to refer to a lady's age, but I shall have to do it in this case. According to your profile, you were already 60 in April 2015, therefore you must have been born before April 1955. Since you are not yet 61, you must have been born no earlier than May 1954. In other words, you were born between six months and 17 months after Piltdown was exposed as a fake (in November 1953).

Can you name any other fossil frauds besides Piltdown? I mean deliberate frauds, not mere mistakes such as 'Nebraska man' ('Hesperopithecus haroldcooki'). Where did you get your information about Piltdown man from?

When you say, 'we were flat out lied to in school, and boldly', you bring up one of the matters that angers me about my own education. I started school 13 months before Piltdown was exposed as a fake, but I learnt hardly anything about science (including evolution) at primary school. The single largest subject at primary school was religious education, which, I suppose, took up about a third of the teaching time. We were taught about Abraham and Isaac; Jacob and Esau; Joseph and his brothers; Moses, the ten plagues of Egypt, and the Exodus; and, of course, Jesus, his miracles, the crucifixion and the resurrection. There was a lot of time given to Jesus's teaching about the last judgement and hell. It was only after I grew up and studied the Bible for myself that I learnt that Abraham, Isaac, Moses, etc. were mythical characters, that the Exodus never happened, that the New Testament could not be taken literally, and, in short, that I had been systematically deceived throughout my school career. I am not accusing my teachers of lying; this was the 1950s and 1960s, and they were probably as ignorant of the truth of how the Bible was written as I was, but the information was available if they had been willing to look for it.

 

[lasthero]

I can testify first hand that they actually abuse their rights and censor truth and bible and anything that doesn't fit into the cultish little box that they use to fight God and put forth a deceptive veneer of fairness.

I can testify first hand that this complaint has no merit.

 

[JacksBratt]

Oh noez! Another page from the evil skeptic conspiracy. Stay away from such, lest you be turned away from the true path of gullibility.

Like that wasn't a predictable response.

Who, really, has the closed mind here? The people who believe a bunch of bones back up a theory that has no starting point. Or the ones that see ALL the archeological finds and actually ask more questions than blindly following Richard Dawkins and his ilk.

 

[lasthero]

Like that wasn't a predictable response.

Who, really, has the closed mind here? The people who believe a bunch of bones back up a theory that has no starting point. Or the ones that see ALL the archeological finds and actually ask more questions than blindly following Richard Dawkins and his ilk.

At the risk of speaking out of turn, i think Rick has made it pretty clear that he'd like you to take your quackery out of his topic, Jack.

Start you own topic about this stuff. It'll be a hoot.

 

[JacksBratt]

Aren't you afraid that the evil, mighty Evolutionist-Smithsonian-National Park Service Cabal is going to "pay you a visit" for revealing their dastardly plot?

Like, I'll disappear?

This indoctrination of the world is so thick and deep, they are not concerned about people, like me, who question the whole deal......

As you can see, I am mocked and ridiculed. I don't care. In the end I will not be shaking in my boots.

Remember the famous last words of head Satanist Anton LaVey:


"Something is very wrong, what have I done"