church charged with hate speech for preaching.

[Bluelion]

You realise that the words "forced" are in the report from either the Mirror or the Mail, two publications that are allegedly newspapers, but often fail to meet journalistic standards. Even so a careful reading of those reports reveals that the minister agreed to take the poster down.

There is no evidence in the report that he was actually forced to do so, or that the police felt he should take it down. What appears to be much more the case is that the police, obliged to investigate the complaint, had a quiet talk with the minister asked him if he would consider removing it in order to calm the situation. The minister, with considerable balance, reason and humility agreed to do so. A win for the police and the church.

Why you have to adopt this put upon martyred attitude and back it up by self indulgent misinterpretation of reality is beyond me, but it rather sickening to observe.

I've said my part. Feel free to stew in your own misguided perspective.

As other pointed out it seems you can not read. It is you who are misguide sticking up for the government the head of the beast and not the church. I guess will see how that plays out in the end. He who makes a friend of this world makes an enemy of God.

 

[Ophiolite]

You realise that the words "forced" are in the report from either the Mirror or the Mail, two publications that are allegedly newspapers, but often fail to meet journalistic standards. Even so a careful reading of those reports reveals that the minister agreed to take the poster down.

There is no evidence in the report that he was actually forced to do so, or that the police felt he should take it down. What appears to be much more the case is that the police, obliged to investigate the complaint, had a quiet talk with the minister asked him if he would consider removing it in order to calm the situation. The minister, with considerable balance, reason and humility agreed to do so. A win for the police and the church.

Why you have to adopt this put upon martyred attitude and back it up by self indulgent misinterpretation of reality is beyond me, but it rather sickening to observe.

I've said my part. Feel free to stew in your own misguided perspective.

 

[ShouldaWouldaCoulda]

The OP link takes me to a menu of reports at the Christian Concern website.
This is the actual article page here:
Church poster labelled 'hate incident' by police



I would hope American's pay attention to this report. Because here very slowly Christian doctrine is being labeled hate speech through subtle means.



The bigoted Southern Poverty Law Center identifies traditional Christian faith groups as hate groups. And by proxy the Christian doctrine they espouse as relates to conservative values, hate speech.



While the ridiculous Westboro Baptist Church won their defense argument when they were accused of being a hate group who were committing to hate speech via the USSC, that doesn't mean that the charge of hate speech can't be introduced in future against actual Christian churches.



There are things happening in America now that our grandparents 30 years ago would have never imagined possible. Every day presents a new day for values and decency to be challenged and changed by law.



God have mercy.

 

[Lukaris]

I get the impression that there is more police protection for being "offended" by a sign than being endangered by criminals.

 

[Inkfingers]

very slowly Christian doctrine is being labeled hate speech through subtle means.

Indeed.

The call to repent of sin and come to Christ is the very core of Christianity, and it is being labelled "hate speech" (whilst liberal 'scholars' work to twist what is understood to be sin).

 

[Andrea411]

so I understand you correctly are you saying telling a person the are headed to Hell is the most hateful thing ever?

Also men's "Laws" do not apply when preaching the Word of God.

Not at all what I said. I said - to take advantage of the opportunity to share Christ but do it within the limits of that country's laws. They are fortunate enough to have a country where you can share Christ. If they make a big thing about the signs etc etc... next step will be "keep your faith to yourself" laws. There by keeping freedom of religion but disallowing proselytizing. Gotta keep it simple... the pastor in this case did the right thing by being congenial and saying he didn't want to offend.

Try that in Iran and its all over...

Pick your battles folks... this one isn't a good one.

 

[ShouldaWouldaCoulda]

Indeed.

The call to repent of sin and come to Christ is the very core of Christianity, and it is being labelled "hate speech" (whilst liberal 'scholars' work to twist what is understood to be sin).

Very true. Reworking God's word to allow for sin to be tolerated and sanctified because the world is sin filled and somehow certain churches have voted to approve that. Rather than rebuke it and save souls.

 

[th1bill]

Well, good morning peoples! Some of you, it appears are thin skinned, it would appear, and I would caution you to be careful, I have already been sent to the Principals Office for swats by one of the hyper-thin skins reporting me and had my post taken down. Having a this skin and big mouth combo appears to be okay but speaking truth coarsely, by the Worlds standard is considered flaming here, so, be careful.

Now, it appears that some, no names spoken, nor implied, are not familiar with the dying art of context. From the beginning, BL did not quote, he made an attention grabbing assertion and offered up a link to the source material. Now, this contest thingy, life, just like the Bible, is of one context. from beginning to end.

Ouch, that stings, I know, but it is not my doing that you younger folks were not taught the art of discovery but were dumbed down educated with the Bill and Hilary's loved Rote Memory Techniques. This hate speech thingy is a re-characterization of hurting another's feelings. If we, truly, believe in the All Powerful God, and only those that do are, maybe, going to Heaven, we will have read through the Bible, seeking to learn more of this God, found ourselves not satisfied and began to reread, but we have realized that Jesus, the God of the entire Bible, John 1:1-3, is guilty of Hate Speech, according to the World.

There is a great lesson you need to learn before you are 69, you DO NOT have the right to never be offended by words, nor by actions. I have taken pleasure from watching people make fools of themselves, myself included, for better than 42 years now and the Worldly Lot, the group headed straight to Hell, are very, very, good at this common denominator of all mankind.

In the Congress of the United States, filled to overabundance with all manor of sinners, is a movement to strengthen our Right To Not Be Offended Law, a.k.a. Hate Crime Law. We, the entire World's Society, have had Hate Crime Laws since the Common Law Statutes were written, using the Mosaic Law as their basis. We, as a nation, used to even obey God and to exterminate those that committed the worst degrees of Hate, Murder!

You can scream 'til the cows come home (Texan for "scream 'til you can't hear any more) but it does not matter that the article was written in known sensation purveyors such as the Mirror and the Mail. What is worthy of note is that preaching and teaching the truth of God's Word has been sensationalized to the point of being criminal, even if it's a maybe criminal!

 

[ShouldaWouldaCoulda]

Hate speech, and zero tolerance policies, are Satan's methods for intimidating and obscuring the true word of God. Outlaw the word, John 1:1-3, and sin flourishes like a blanket weaving itself into the fabric of society.

 

[Bluelion]

Indeed.

The call to repent of sin and come to Christ is the very core of Christianity, and it is being labelled "hate speech" (whilst liberal 'scholars' work to twist what is understood to be sin).

are you surprised? Jesus said about the end times they would call Good evil and evil Good.

 

[Bluelion]

Not at all what I said. I said - to take advantage of the opportunity to share Christ but do it within the limits of that country's laws. They are fortunate enough to have a country where you can share Christ. If they make a big thing about the signs etc etc... next step will be "keep your faith to yourself" laws. There by keeping freedom of religion but disallowing proselytizing. Gotta keep it simple... the pastor in this case did the right thing by being congenial and saying he didn't want to offend.

Try that in Iran and its all over...

Pick your battles folks... this one isn't a good one.

I disagree. There is no Law we must obey when preaching God's word other than that of God's Law.

Jesus told people they were going to hell and often, He spoke the truth and did not care if it often False teachers.

I would like to point out that lust is being called love, and enabling a person in there sin is being called love, and Love is being called hate speech.

What this is is what Jesus spoke of Good being called evil and evil good.

Do you think Iran has God's blessing. How long do you think it will stand? look also how little they have in Iran.

 

[Bluelion]

Well, good morning peoples! Some of you, it appears are thin skinned, it would appear, and I would caution you to be careful, I have already been sent to the Principals Office for swats by one of the hyper-thin skins reporting me and had my post taken down. Having a this skin and big mouth combo appears to be okay but speaking truth coarsely, by the Worlds standard is considered flaming here, so, be careful.

Now, it appears that some, no names spoken, nor implied, are not familiar with the dying art of context. From the beginning, BL did not quote, he made an attention grabbing assertion and offered up a link to the source material. Now, this contest thingy, life, just like the Bible, is of one context. from beginning to end.

Ouch, that stings, I know, but it is not my doing that you younger folks were not taught the art of discovery but were dumbed down educated with the Bill and Hilary's loved Rote Memory Techniques. This hate speech thingy is a re-characterization of hurting another's feelings. If we, truly, believe in the All Powerful God, and only those that do are, maybe, going to Heaven, we will have read through the Bible, seeking to learn more of this God, found ourselves not satisfied and began to reread, but we have realized that Jesus, the God of the entire Bible, John 1:1-3, is guilty of Hate Speech, according to the World.

There is a great lesson you need to learn before you are 69, you DO NOT have the right to never be offended by words, nor by actions. I have taken pleasure from watching people make fools of themselves, myself included, for better than 42 years now and the Worldly Lot, the group headed straight to Hell, are very, very, good at this common denominator of all mankind.

In the Congress of the United States, filled to overabundance with all manor of sinners, is a movement to strengthen our Right To Not Be Offended Law, a.k.a. Hate Crime Law. We, the entire World's Society, have had Hate Crime Laws since the Common Law Statutes were written, using the Mosaic Law as their basis. We, as a nation, used to even obey God and to exterminate those that committed the worst degrees of Hate, Murder!

You can scream 'til the cows come home (Texan for "scream 'til you can't hear any more) but it does not matter that the article was written in known sensation purveyors such as the Mirror and the Mail. What is worthy of note is that preaching and teaching the truth of God's Word has been sensationalized to the point of being criminal, even if it's a maybe criminal!

and this is the reason i picked the title, because look at the attention and discussion which came from it. It is something every Christian should be aware of. I see daily on my facebook page Christians persecuted around the world. i was not aware of any of this until I started follow christian groups which cover this thing. You won't find these cases in mass media.

 

[Andrea411]

and this is the reason i picked the title, because look at the attention and discussion which came from it. It is something every Christian should be aware of. I see daily on my facebook page Christians persecuted around the world. i was not aware of any of this until I started follow christian groups which cover this thing. You won't find these cases in mass media.

Persecution is when you are beaten or arrested for sharing your faith. It is not when you are inconvenienced and have to change the sign out front or when your told not to say Merry Christmas... persecution is suffering ... this was an overblown headline while there are very real headlines in the news today.
Go to VOM Voice of the Martyrs to see what is happening around the world...

this sign stuff is silly

http://www.breakingchristiannews.com/articles/display_art.html?ID=13915

 

[Bluelion]

Persecution is when you are beaten or arrested for sharing your faith. It is not when you are inconvenienced and have to change the sign out front or when your told not to say Merry Christmas... persecution is suffering ... this was an overblown headline while there are very real headlines in the news today.
Go to VOM Voice of the Martyrs to see what is happening around the world...

this sign stuff is silly

Christian Mother Sentenced to Die for Her Faith in Christ—Forced to Give Birth in Sudanese Prison

is that you final judgement

per·se·cu·tion noun \ˌpər-si-ˈkyü-shən\

Definition of PERSECUTION

1
: the act or practice of persecuting especially those who differ in origin, religion, or social outlook
2
: the condition of being persecuted, harassed, or annoyed
See persecution defined for kids »
First Known Use of PERSECUTION

14th century

By the definition in the English language that church was persecuted.

I follow voice of the martyrs but I find they are not as good as christian concern is at bringing things to light.

sorry you don't like my title however I don't care.

 

[Nani-Day]

is that you final judgement

per·se·cu·tion noun \ˌpər-si-ˈkyü-shən\

Definition of PERSECUTION

1
: the act or practice of persecuting especially those who differ in origin, religion, or social outlook
2
: the condition of being persecuted, harassed, or annoyed
See persecution defined for kids »
First Known Use of PERSECUTION

14th century

By the definition in the English language that church was persecuted.

I follow voice of the martyrs but I find they are not as good as christian concern is at bringing things to light.

sorry you don't like my title however I don't care.

 

[th1bill]

and this is the reason i picked the title, because look at the attention and discussion which came from it. It is something every Christian should be aware of. I see daily on my facebook page Christians persecuted around the world. i was not aware of any of this until I started follow christian groups which cover this thing. You won't find these cases in mass media.

You, of course, are right. I am, much more oft than not, belittled by Christians for bothering to check the Main Stream Media and to measure it against FNC, FBN, World News Daily and other Christian based news services.I have, on more than just this web site been called a fool (and on none of them has the offender been brought to account) for even thinking to pay attention to anything, other than the main stream media.

But you do need to concern yourself about speaking the whole truth because it will get you bounced for doing so. I have taught Hell's Fire and Brimstone, the Great White Throne Judgment, the Righteous Wrath of God and the Triune God since two years after my Salvation and I doubt that there is any that have been banned from any more web sites than I have for, flatly, refusing to compromise the Word of God.

Your title and your approach to opening this discussion are above reproach by our LORD but as evidenced in this string, in Texan we'ed say, "It ain't loved by the hangers on, neighbor!"

 

[Bluelion]

You, of course, are right. I am, much more oft than not, belittled by Christians for bothering to check the Main Stream Media and to measure it against FNC, FBN, World News Daily and other Christian based news services.I have, on more than just this web site been called a fool (and on none of them has the offender been brought to account) for even thinking to pay attention to anything, other than the main stream media.

But you do need to concern yourself about speaking the whole truth because it will get you bounced for doing so. I have taught Hell's Fire and Brimstone, the Great White Throne Judgment, the Righteous Wrath of God and the Triune God since two years after my Salvation and I doubt that there is any that have been banned from any more web sites than I have for, flatly, refusing to compromise the Word of God.

Your title and your approach to opening this discussion are above reproach by our LORD but as evidenced in this string, in Texan we'ed say, "It ain't loved by the hangers on, neighbor!"

I know some have expressed they don't like the title, However, none of it was untrue. It was in fact the truth.

I don't think I have seen anyone banned on this site, They really try to work with the person that I have seen so far. People are allowed to make mistakes.

 

[th1bill]

Persecution is when you are beaten or arrested for sharing your faith. It is not when you are inconvenienced and have to change the sign out front or when your told not to say Merry Christmas... persecution is suffering ... this was an overblown headline while there are very real headlines in the news today.
Go to VOM Voice of the Martyrs to see what is happening around the world...

this sign stuff is silly

Christian Mother Sentenced to Die for Her Faith in Christ—Forced to Give Birth in Sudanese Prison

Welcome to the discussion, young lady. I spent three tours in a Combat Zone and wrought wrath upon men that removed the wombs from Nuns and teenage girls. I know persecution because when I arrived in San Francisco, while a Police Officer watched, I beat the living snot out of the drugged Hippie that was responsible for the spittle that dripped from my nose as he called me a Baby Killer.

Was I persecuted then and for the next ten or so years? Yes! But not like those poor Vietnamese women and not like those poor Vietnamese the cowardly American Civilians abandoned to the slaughter that my and my men's daily presence prevented before we were forced to obey the Great American Cowards National Will.

Persecution is a many faceted stone or jewel. Some of the rays it emits are not as bright as some others but all of the rays have sonething in common, The closer the fire (light) comes, the stronger the ray grows. Once, this nation lived for God. Today all our major and most of our minor cities are best known as Sin City. And out here in the woods, they are coming for us.

 

[th1bill]

I know some have expressed they don't like the title, However, none of it was untrue. It was in fact the truth.

I don't think I have seen anyone banned on this site, They really try to work with the person that I have seen so far. People are allowed to make mistakes.

You might be right because what I was called on the carpet for has seen me banned on two sites last year.

 

[Nord Christian]

are you surprised? Jesus said about the end times they would call Good evil and evil Good.

It's becoming more prevalent, as time passes by. The glorifying of violence in movies, sports and TV shows. The "sinners are winners" mentality has grown substantially over the last 50 or so years. And no, I'm not being hyprocritical
here. Christians are sinners. We know we're sinners. The only difference being we know that only Lord Jesus Christ can save us from ourselves. A true believer tries to repent, and turn away from what is sinful. Accepting sin is like trying to put a bandaid on a large wound, and expecting it to heal in a couple of days. Rules were not put in the Bible by God, just so he could control us. He put them in there for our protection.

Oh, and the bigwigs on top, from where people get all propagandized info comes from, TV movies, shows,news, music and music videos aren't Christians.Money has obviously corrupted them so much, that money and worldly pleasures have become their gods. These people are going to die someday. They can't take it with them. If they're saved, then they'll have a lot to answer for. Saddest case is they aren't saved, and go to the place where they will be eternally separated from the goodness of God and his protection.