MissytheButterfly
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Everything that needed to be said has been said..why keep beating a dead horse.
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Christians who wish to worship with (as) Jews
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Crickets chirp.
Wind blows.
A lone wolf howls in the distance.
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You're right!
Man.
Oh, I can make up for it:
An old creaking, wooden sign rocks slowly back and forth in the wind.
A screen porch door slams again and again.
Man.
Oh, I can make up for it:
An old creaking, wooden sign rocks slowly back and forth in the wind.
A screen porch door slams again and again.
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MissytheButterfly
Back and Better than EVER!
Originally posted by Br. Max
missy:my dear there are more people in this forum than just you.
WOW..really..wouldn't have known if you didn't tell me..
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We stopped attending congregation at a Messianic place over 2 years ago, i want to attend one again, somewhere, i really loved the people.
it was a joyous time of celebrating what God has done, learning Hebrew customs, the language, history, my 2 daughters were part of the worship dance team, the worship time was awesome, but it was always stopped too short, due to service routines of following a Sabbath prayer book, i loved learning the order of service, don't get me wrong.
but we had to leave, because the leader began to verbalize his personal strong views about the New Testament teachings of the Apostle Paul,
and was increasingly demanding that if any one wants to stay in his congregation, the real Christ followers should not adhere to Shaul's teachings, and wont discuss them or listen to others talk about those teachings in that place.
it was going bad folks, really bad. but the Lord began revealing the hidden things.
the leader made no bones about it, from his pulpit, in criticizing Christians coming to Shabbat services but not living Torah life.
He did not teach much from the New Testament, at least the history of Christ was presented a few times.
Also, he became impatient and intolerant of those who were believers unwilling to become members of his congregation. anyone who was Jewish was welcome. it was something to experience, but the Lord used it, to show us what the Jews go thru, by being accused and misunderstood, not tolerated for their beliefs in God. Sadly, we came also to understand anti-semitism in the 'Church'.
The Holy Spirit led us out, it was quick, and it hurt.
i deeply love Israel, and love to pray with and for her people, and want get to continue to understand more of my Messiah, and would love to find once again, a congregation of worshipping Messianic believers-
with a real leader who truly loves Yeshua, who believes that Yeshua is represented correctly in the teachings of Shaul- especially the letter to the new Jewish believers, in Romans.
i realize my salvation is not dependant upon whether or not i say a certain prayer on a special day or observe or follow certain practises of worship that way others do.
sometimes, not often, due to things beyond my control, and sometimes poor planning, just forgetting when i shopped, all i had to use for communion was apple juice, and a cracker.
the Lord does not condemn, we did not profane anything by it.
He confirmed this many times, thru comforting reassurances
through other believers who did not even know why they were speaking to us so.
our sabbath meals were held on fridays or saturdays
it only mattered 'why' we did this- to worship God, by the Holy Spirit in us, and in Truth.
we took a long time to seek Him, to rest in Him,
and He has never left us, nor taken away His grace.
It is His promise, not anything we did or did not do.
Also what also bothered us, was the other church we were going to on sundays, was beginning to hear rumors of people going to this messianic congregation and leaving their 'main 'church'.
so, in a blanket statement from the lead pastor, he gave
several 'scriptural warnings' not to go back into bondage of the Law,
blah blah blah. we soon realized our call, to pray for the Lord to dispell any misrepresentaions in both places of worship. we actively did with others.
we were personally ' interviewed ', quizzed, by a pastor, not the leader, about what this messianic place was teaching. he talked to several other who had gone there, a few left to become members of the Messianic place.
he was concerned if we were going to leave as well.
we did leave that church a year ago in october, for different reasons. it has been an interesting year of resting in Him, fellowshipping together with Him in the unity of Holy Spirit.
Jesus loves us, and died for us while we all were yet sinners, and conquered death and the grave long before we knew Him.
i fully accept His work of Redemption, and i know i am accepted in the Beloved. The whole Bible tells me so.
Romans 12: 3, 4, 5
3. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
4. For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5. So we, being many, are one body in Christ,
and every one members of one another.
( signed & sealed by the Apostle Paul, to the church in Rome, under the Supreme Authority of the Holy Spirit of The Living God.)
can i get a witness ?? 
it was a joyous time of celebrating what God has done, learning Hebrew customs, the language, history, my 2 daughters were part of the worship dance team, the worship time was awesome, but it was always stopped too short, due to service routines of following a Sabbath prayer book, i loved learning the order of service, don't get me wrong.
but we had to leave, because the leader began to verbalize his personal strong views about the New Testament teachings of the Apostle Paul,
and was increasingly demanding that if any one wants to stay in his congregation, the real Christ followers should not adhere to Shaul's teachings, and wont discuss them or listen to others talk about those teachings in that place.
it was going bad folks, really bad. but the Lord began revealing the hidden things.
the leader made no bones about it, from his pulpit, in criticizing Christians coming to Shabbat services but not living Torah life.
He did not teach much from the New Testament, at least the history of Christ was presented a few times.
Also, he became impatient and intolerant of those who were believers unwilling to become members of his congregation. anyone who was Jewish was welcome. it was something to experience, but the Lord used it, to show us what the Jews go thru, by being accused and misunderstood, not tolerated for their beliefs in God. Sadly, we came also to understand anti-semitism in the 'Church'.
The Holy Spirit led us out, it was quick, and it hurt.
i deeply love Israel, and love to pray with and for her people, and want get to continue to understand more of my Messiah, and would love to find once again, a congregation of worshipping Messianic believers-
with a real leader who truly loves Yeshua, who believes that Yeshua is represented correctly in the teachings of Shaul- especially the letter to the new Jewish believers, in Romans.
i realize my salvation is not dependant upon whether or not i say a certain prayer on a special day or observe or follow certain practises of worship that way others do.
sometimes, not often, due to things beyond my control, and sometimes poor planning, just forgetting when i shopped, all i had to use for communion was apple juice, and a cracker.
the Lord does not condemn, we did not profane anything by it.
He confirmed this many times, thru comforting reassurances
through other believers who did not even know why they were speaking to us so.
our sabbath meals were held on fridays or saturdays
it only mattered 'why' we did this- to worship God, by the Holy Spirit in us, and in Truth.
we took a long time to seek Him, to rest in Him,
and He has never left us, nor taken away His grace.
It is His promise, not anything we did or did not do.
Also what also bothered us, was the other church we were going to on sundays, was beginning to hear rumors of people going to this messianic congregation and leaving their 'main 'church'.
so, in a blanket statement from the lead pastor, he gave
several 'scriptural warnings' not to go back into bondage of the Law,
blah blah blah. we soon realized our call, to pray for the Lord to dispell any misrepresentaions in both places of worship. we actively did with others.
we were personally ' interviewed ', quizzed, by a pastor, not the leader, about what this messianic place was teaching. he talked to several other who had gone there, a few left to become members of the Messianic place.
he was concerned if we were going to leave as well.
we did leave that church a year ago in october, for different reasons. it has been an interesting year of resting in Him, fellowshipping together with Him in the unity of Holy Spirit.
Jesus loves us, and died for us while we all were yet sinners, and conquered death and the grave long before we knew Him.
i fully accept His work of Redemption, and i know i am accepted in the Beloved. The whole Bible tells me so.
Romans 12: 3, 4, 5
3. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
4. For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5. So we, being many, are one body in Christ,
and every one members of one another.
( signed & sealed by the Apostle Paul, to the church in Rome, under the Supreme Authority of the Holy Spirit of The Living God.)
can i get a witness ??
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Omaha-gal, I'm very sorry to hear what happened to you and your family at the church. But, you sound pretty positive, with the understanding of what the Jews have to go through.
You're a neat person, and I pray that you and your loved ones will find a good Messianic church home.
~Peace in Christ,
BF
But, you sound pretty positive, with the understanding of what the Jews have to go through. You're a neat person, and I pray that you and your loved ones will find a good Messianic church home.
~Peace in Christ,
BF
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Thank you.
we do not harbor anything against them, maybe one day the Lord will have us go back. i need much confirmation for that.
we could use another place here in the metro,
that is far more ' user friendly' ;-)
sure would like to visit Zola Levitt's one in Texas.
by the way.... has anyone here traveled to Orlando to see the Holy Land Experience theme park?
we do not harbor anything against them, maybe one day the Lord will have us go back. i need much confirmation for that.
we could use another place here in the metro,
that is far more ' user friendly' ;-)
sure would like to visit Zola Levitt's one in Texas.
by the way.... has anyone here traveled to Orlando to see the Holy Land Experience theme park?
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i met an amazing woman tonight at the messianic fellowship in my area. she found jesus in her 20s but only 2 years ago really found what the bible meant to her. she described it as having jesus find her 20years ago, but finding jesus only about 2 years ago.
i didnt know how i would feel about christians worshiping as jews and practicing messianic judaism..... and i am still not really sure how i feel, but i feel like god really gave me a message at the service tonight.
for so many years i have hated messianic jews, having been one for nearly 3 years caused a lot of internal hatred. this woman told me that christians dont really accept us, and i know that jews dont really accept us. i never really accepted me because i had so many preconcieved notions about what a jew is and what a christian is. i never really knew the "middle ground" that seems to be messianic judaism. i feel like god was telling me to let go of some of those preconcieved notions and that if i do i will be able to grow even more.
just wanted to share.
i didnt know how i would feel about christians worshiping as jews and practicing messianic judaism..... and i am still not really sure how i feel, but i feel like god really gave me a message at the service tonight.
for so many years i have hated messianic jews, having been one for nearly 3 years caused a lot of internal hatred. this woman told me that christians dont really accept us, and i know that jews dont really accept us. i never really accepted me because i had so many preconcieved notions about what a jew is and what a christian is. i never really knew the "middle ground" that seems to be messianic judaism. i feel like god was telling me to let go of some of those preconcieved notions and that if i do i will be able to grow even more.
just wanted to share.
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This is a geralization!
Plenty of Christians support Messianic organizations. Plenty of Christians support Jews returning to Eretz Yisrael.
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what i was trying to say that i was having a difficult time wording is that while christians tend to be full of prayers and praise when a jew is coming to faith in christ, jews are undereducated in the end because the christians that were talking to them about truth move on to the next hopeful convert.
i know plenty of christians who love jews, and messianic jews, but never have they understood the point of saying the blessings, or the need to keep sabbath. they think because the rest of the christian world does the sunday thing, that they are right and that is the only answer.
i know plenty of christians who love jews, and messianic jews, but never have they understood the point of saying the blessings, or the need to keep sabbath. they think because the rest of the christian world does the sunday thing, that they are right and that is the only answer.
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Originally posted by vegan
This is a geralization!
Plenty of Christians support Messianic organizations. Plenty of Christians support Jews returning to Eretz Yisrael.
As a Southern Baptist (Christian) and having known and worshiped with Messianic Jews, here is my understanding of them:
Jews are still Gods chosen people. Messianic Jews are just as Christian as I am, and I, being adopted by God, am just as Jewish as they are.
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I saw this lady the other day with a star of David around her neck. I asked her if she was Jewish.
She said she was, yes.
Then she said she was adopted.
I thought, how nice.
Then she said she was actually adopted into the 'real' chosen people, the Catholics, through her 'faith in the Lord Jesus Christ'.
God told Avraham (Abraham) that the blessing would be to Abraham's 'zera' meaning literal seed.
This is in correction to Abraham's initial understanding that it would go to his 'spiritual' son, his student.
She said she was, yes.
Then she said she was adopted.
I thought, how nice.
Then she said she was actually adopted into the 'real' chosen people, the Catholics, through her 'faith in the Lord Jesus Christ'.
God told Avraham (Abraham) that the blessing would be to Abraham's 'zera' meaning literal seed.
This is in correction to Abraham's initial understanding that it would go to his 'spiritual' son, his student.
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We keep the sabbath and we aren't jews, I mean maybe somewhere way back in the genealogy but not for several genarations...we used to go to a messianic temple, it was ok... but then we moved a little bit south... wish there were one nearby.
The Lord dwelled on that one with me for several morths till I finally tossed the sunday habit... I would toss and turn on it then finally I got convicted,,, of course now we don't live near any sabbath keeping congregation at all, we could make the trip into town i suppose...
I need to pray for that.
I think we are entering strange times if you want my opinion.. He has been real good to us, real nearby you know? And I feel as though he's saying right now, not even to worry about church so much, we do study tapes at home, we listen on the radio, I am always studying I love the word... Gods people... but that he's pressing us away from the church ( the mainstream) for a reason, he's never really done that before... but he is definitely doing it, maybe something going on in our area I don't know... maybe I was heading the wrong way with the churches we were going to not sure, one thing for sure I have learned a lot in the past several months just studying the different denoms, listening to people, reading the word on my own without relying on someone elses interpretations or rules...
hmmm.. and He's still here... same as ever...
something going on I think.
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Lots of jews were converted to christianity way way back, it's hard to say really after several hundred years or more even, if you are not in the original plan anyway, wouldn't you say?
Both jews and gentiles were converted, and they mixed at that point, its been going on for 2000 years...
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I had to get a really really big garbage can myself...
I don't know, some of my best friends when i was younger were Jewish... I have always loved jewish people..and I have always been a christian sort of, only really saved the past 7-8 years though... I admire the messianic jews a lot I don't know why you would feel that way... The services are the nicest I have ever sen even... bordering on outright beautiful with the dancing and stuff... in the barefeet so pretty... my daughter loved our messianic church... she was just little then but she loved that dancing... I will never forget...
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