When, where and how did God make it clear what his desires are? In what way was this documented for everyone to see?
You can look to any statement Jesus made, which will indicate God's desires. You may like to read Matthew 25:34-45, this is Jesus' description of His criteria for the final judgement. That's probably the most absolute indication of God's desire, though it is far from a complete description of every aspect of God's desire.
Why have you never had to consider that you may be wrong? There is nothing that gives me the idea that any kind of god has any intentions.
Well, the information about God (here, I use the name "God" to represent the father of Jesus, the single creator, not any other entity that claims to be a god), indicates that He plans to evaluate the people, and those He deems useful or worth keeping, He will take to a more perfect world. I have not seen any information that indicates this same God has different intentions. If you have that information, I would like to know of it so that I can consider it. Otherwise I just have to conclude that you are proposing that I consider your doubts, which I don't just trust to be a reliable indication of God's intentions.
Likewise, I can't accept judgement or grace of any gods, as not a single god has actually told me it makes judgement or extends grace.
He has, you don't acknowledge it.
I come to that conclusion because I have not observed any actions of your god. What actions has your god performed? Who has observed these actions? In what way were these actions documented?
Don't act dumb with me, it makes you look silly.
You don't need to understand decisions that God makes to understand that God can't love everyone and be capable of doing anything in the presence of mass suffering or mass calamity.
"Can't" is your assumption, not mine. I assume "can" but "doesn't".
So you ignore the bad? How about the mass murderer who has given some of his time & money to charities. Would you worship that mass murderer for his altruistic deeds?0
No I don't ignore the bad, I look to the reason for the bad to see whether the purpose is evil or good. Can you give me an example of a bad thing God has done that was done for an evil reason?
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Good. So you accept that I give reverent honor to a sacred personage. Can you be honestly certain that there is not more in your mind than that?
What it teaches us isn't relevant.
It's 100% relevant. If every time we do something wrong, He steps in and prevents the bad consequence, will we learn to do better or will we learn that doing wrong is ok, because there is nothing bad that can come from it?
What's relevant is that it is logically impossible for an all-loving & all-powerful being to exist in the presence of mass suffering or mass calamity. For more on this, go to
The Problem of Evil - YouTube
Your logic says it is impossible, because that is the train of thought you have committed to while making sense of the information you receive. For instance, I have said above that God has done more than should be necessary to get a message to us, yet your logic says "what has he done? I don't accept the information you provide as evidence of his action". Your logic is preventing that information from supporting the fact, so your logic is actually faulty. The reason for that, is something you really should investigate. Impartiality is the word.
Now, regarding this video, see 5:40
"God must have known that evil choices will be made, therefore God can be held in part responsible for the evil choices of the world. For example, if I create a robot that has the potential to destroy my lab, when that robot does destroy the lab, do we blame only the robot, or do I share in the blame?".
Here, the man is suggesting that he was not interested in making a robot that he could trust to not destroy the lab, he is presenting a one-sided argument to support his agenda. In fairness, if you created a robot that destroyed your lab, what would you do? Would you attempt to correct the robot, and if finding that your attempts are not successful, you eventually decommission the robot? What if the robot turned out to be useful, making coffee and sweeping the floor? Would you decommission the robot or keep it and possibly make more like it? Now, consider that these robots were capable of observing each other's behaviour and evaluating your response to their behaviour. Would a robot that is conscious of it's existence want to be decommissioned, or would it want to sweep the floor and make coffee, that it can continue to enjoy the sun that streams through the window? I don't know why people are more blind than a self-conscious robot might be, again I think it comes down to the programming of the logic.
Wasn't implying anything more than I said (that if words fail to describe Him, it is the expectation of the observer that is failing, not His failure to live up to the expectation of the observer). What about your idea of following another religion, is there a known extent of following another religion that suddenly makes a person un-Christian?
