Christians Giving Up All Possessions

[1 John 4:1]

So this is kind of a preliminary question. I have a theory that Luke 14:33 is supposed to be taken literally. However, I think the command is situational. What that means is that if there isn't a community like Jesus and his followers (and they let you join) or a community like the church in Acts then the command does not apply. (there are false Christs) The verses before Luke 14:33 talk about being careful and considering the cost. (doesn't seem like this was supposed to be done lightly in most cases) I'll leave the other evidence for that out to keep this short.

Anyway my question is, where should I post this? Do you think this is too controversial for the Christian forums or do you think I could post it there? Also, is there an easy way to contact a moderator about this?

My second question is, to start simply what do you think of the following evidence for this theory?
1 The apostles gave up everything: Mark 10:28, John 12:5-6 (common purse)
2 The disciples of the apostles were also Jesus' disciples: John 13:35 and John 4:1-2
3 The apostles were to teach the disciples to observe everything Jesus had commanded them: Matthew 28:18-20

 

[Southernscotty]

Hi John and welcome to CF I do think you should ask a Mod and there should be some listed on the right side of your page?

 

[Abaxvahl]

So this is kind of a preliminary question. I have a theory that Luke 14:33 is supposed to be taken literally. However, I think the command is situational. What that means is that if there isn't a community like Jesus and his followers (and they let you join) or a community like the church in Acts then the command does not apply. (there are false Christs) The verses before Luke 14:33 talk about being careful and considering the cost. (doesn't seem like this was supposed to be done lightly in most cases) I'll leave the other evidence for that out to keep this short.

Anyway my question is, where should I post this? Do you think this is too controversial for the Christian forums or do you think I could post it there? Also, is there an easy way to contact a moderator about this?

My second question is, to start simply what do you think of the following evidence for this theory?
1 The apostles gave up everything: Mark 10:28, John 12:5-6 (common purse)
2 The disciples of the apostles were also Jesus' disciples: John 13:35 and John 4:1-2
3 The apostles were to teach the disciples to observe everything Jesus had commanded them: Matthew 28:18-20

To your second question, I believe it is to be taken as literally as humanly possible, and I'd almost put forward the principle that if something is not a direct (or immediately indirect) blessing to another person, you shouldn't have it. An immediately indirect blessing to another person would be something like a job, because that allows you to give more to others quickly. I also believe Christians should have extremely few personal items, not too many clothes, etc. These things are especially true considering we shouldn't care how much or how little we have, because we are not to store up treasures on Earth, or worry about our so-called needs (Matthew 6:19-34). I believe also somewhere in Paul's letters we are not to act as if we own things, but I forget where that is.

 

[Marco70]

So this is kind of a preliminary question. I have a theory that Luke 14:33 is supposed to be taken literally. However, I think the command is situational. What that means is that if there isn't a community like Jesus and his followers (and they let you join) or a community like the church in Acts then the command does not apply. (there are false Christs) The verses before Luke 14:33 talk about being careful and considering the cost. (doesn't seem like this was supposed to be done lightly in most cases) I'll leave the other evidence for that out to keep this short.

Anyway my question is, where should I post this? Do you think this is too controversial for the Christian forums or do you think I could post it there? Also, is there an easy way to contact a moderator about this?

My second question is, to start simply what do you think of the following evidence for this theory?
1 The apostles gave up everything: Mark 10:28, John 12:5-6 (common purse)
2 The disciples of the apostles were also Jesus' disciples: John 13:35 and John 4:1-2
3 The apostles were to teach the disciples to observe everything Jesus had commanded them: Matthew 28:18-20

In verse27 Jesus states you must take up your cross and follow him. Each of us has different particular crosses to bear I would suggest. Some are called to be ministers, or missionaries, others, to raise a family in a Godly fashion, and be part of the church you attend, joining in and doing what is asked of you. I wonder if giving up everything we have is in relation to doing so concerning the particular cross we have been asked to bear. Nothing should come before that.
Just my thoughts

 

[1 John 4:1]

@Marco70 That's certainly how most people would take it. I would argue that the context changes from loving everything less (v. 27) to considering and preparing for the cost of following Christ "So therefore" connects Luke 14:33 with the context of cost, but really the main argument is the apostles having to teach what they practiced in the great commission (giving up possessions)

@Abaxvahl
Thanks I'll use that in the paper I'm helping to write.

@Southernscotty Right side of what page? (checked my profile already)

 

[Southernscotty]

@Marco70 That's certainly how most people would take it. I would argue that the context changes from loving everything less (v. 27) to considering and preparing for the cost of following Christ "So therefore" connects Luke 14:33 with the context of cost, but really the main argument is the apostles having to teach what they practiced in the great commission (giving up possessions)

@Abaxvahl
Thanks I'll use that in the paper I'm helping to write.

@Southernscotty Right side of what page? (checked my profile already)

Should be on the page to the right when you click on the forums tab. :]

 

[1 John 4:1]

@Abaxvahl
It's 1 Corinthians 7:29-31 by the way.

@Southernscotty I can see where they post when I click on them but I can't figure out how to send them a message directly lol (im terrible)

 

[teresa]

@Abaxvahl
It's 1 Corinthians 7:29-31 by the way.

@Southernscotty I can see where they post when I click on them but I can't figure out how to send them a message directly lol (im terrible)

you now have 20 posts and 5 likes, go to the top of your screen and see if you now have an inbox

also, click on the report button in your own post and ask for help

also, go to the support tab at the top of your screen and click on it

 

[1 John 4:1]

Thanks!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

1 The apostles gave up everything: Mark 10:28, John 12:5-6 (common purse)
2 The disciples of the apostles were also Jesus' disciples: John 13:35 and John 4:1-2
3 The apostles were to teach the disciples to observe everything Jesus had commanded them: Matthew 28:18-20

This is all simply truth, no theory involved, really is there ?

 

[1 John 4:1]

This is all simply truth, no theory involved, really is there ?

That's what I think. Except that all commands are given in a context and I don't think we should give up our possessions to any old cult

 

[1 John 4:1]

This is all simply truth, no theory involved, really is there ?

If you respond, could you respond at this link: (I'm trying to collect all the ideas in one thread)

Taking Luke 14:33 literally