Christians finally smashing the idol of Multiculturalism

[lifepsyop]

Very well said. Christians (especially Christian politicians) would be well advised to remember about ordo caritatis - the ancient and very wise idea that our love for others should be extended according to their proximity and relationship to us. Our family members, our close friends, our neighbours and citizens of our country should come before foreigners. Of course, our love should also extend universally to all people but not at the expense of those close to us. It is not only an ancient Christian idea but also a very rational approach that reflects natural and moral order of things. There are unfortunately those who, having their mouths full of platitudes about "love", are acting against both ordo caritatis and common sense.

exactly, and yes this seems like it was common sense wisdom until the new postwar religion took over in the latter half of the 20th century when one became an evil "racist" or "nazi" for prioritizing one's own ethnic group living around them.

after which we had to start showcasing our new religious virtue by pretending not to see how much conflict and strife was caused by state enforced multiculturalism. the new worst "sin" became the sin of noticing.

and this might be a little hyperbolic, but it seems like this is the only "sin" the church remained passionate about.

usury, feminism, homosexuality, divorce, abortion, drug addiction, atheism, transgenderism, satanism.... *big yawn* from the Christian thought leaders... "the world's a fallen place, whatdya gonna do!"

the faintest whiff of an accusation of "racism" ? all hands on deck to root out the evildoer.

it really was like a new religion that came into being with the Postwar Consensus.

 

[ViaCrucis]

In my Bible when Christians tried to divide themselves along ethnic lines it resulted in pretty strong condemnation.

"But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astry by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the Gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, 'If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?'" - Galatians 2:11-14

I suspect that the OP isn't particularly acquainted with the Bible, Christian doctrine, or Christian moral teaching.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

It's not impossible to love. Try it sometime.

Yet itnis impossible to love all equally and you demonstrate this with your own actions everyday. You do not live a self sacrificing love where you treat everyone equally. Nor will you try to. It's cheap talk to say that you love everyone equally but it's harder to do in practice. Even the early Christians showed preference for other Christians and their own kin.

I love them all. Even the brats

But you don't love all women the same way. You don't love all children the same. You live your own woman and children more. There is nothing wrong with this. Just as there is nothing wrong with loving one's own people or society more.

He commands us to love others as you love yourself. Do you have a problem with that? He commands us love each other as he loves us.
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have a problem with idealists who use these verses to justify bad policy of open immigration and the breakdown of society to cater to the worst of society. Egalitarianism has eroded Christianity in the west through this contradictory appeal to universal love. Till you can demonstrate you have no particular attachments or people you love more than others you don't have a leg to stand on. Like Lifepsyop said, you should open your house to illegal migrants and treat them as if you would treat your own children. But you won't.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

In my Bible when Christians tried to divide themselves along ethnic lines it resulted in pretty strong condemnation.

"But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astry by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the Gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, 'If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?'" - Galatians 2:11-14

I suspect that the OP isn't particularly acquainted with the Bible, Christian doctrine, or Christian moral teaching.

-CryptoLutheran

Yet Christians did divide themselves along ethnic lines for most of history. Is liberal multiculturalism more of an expression of Christian virtue than the Church itself?

 

[Yarddog]

Real love actually costs something.

No it doesn't. Who ever taught you that doesn't understand God

Mathew 22
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself".

John 13
"34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

What do people see when they watch you. Are you a disciple of Jesus Christ?

But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you – Luke 6:27

 

[Yarddog]

Yet itnis impossible to love all equally and you demonstrate this with your own actions everyday.

You have no idea what my actions and you have no way of knowing how I treat my neighbors. All you have done is try and justify your lack of love, which Jesus called us into.

God bless

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

You have no idea what my actions and you have no way of knowing how I treat my neighbors. All you have done is try and justify your lack of love, which Jesus called us into.

God bless

I'm assuming you're a normal and decent person. Which means you take care of your responsibility to your family and immediate community but you obviously aren't giving the shirt off your back to everyone.

It's not about justifying a lack of love either, but recognising my limited capacity for love. I can't love everyone equally. I will treat my family better than I would treat a stranger. I'll love my girlfriend more than I love another women.

This attempt to equalize all love is foolish, so when I hear these appeals to justify multiculturalism or universality amongst different peoples on the basis of Christian love I think its good to point out that not all relationships are equal. Nor do they have to be. That is the religion of Liberalism, not Christianity.

 

[timothyu]

Are we talking a utopia or simply helping those in need, quite often involving giving of ourselves over that of material gain for another. Most in need just need a foot up to get back to being able to care for themselves, especially people in other nations who might just prefer to stay at home if the right circumstances would allow them to create a better life there, something other nations in a better position can aide in.. But there are also parasites of every making, selfish who seek gain prating on the goodness of others. Would not these be those we not cast pearls before?

 

[RamiC]

I will treat my family better than I would treat a stranger. I'll love my girlfriend more than I love another women.

But those strangers have families themselves, and other women are someone else's life partner. How do you want people to treat your girlfriend when you are not there?

31 Do to others as you would have them do to you. 32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. Luke 6 31-33 NIV

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

But those strangers have families themselves, and other women are someone else's life partner. How do you want people to treat your girlfriend when you are not there?

31 Do to others as you would have them do to you. 32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. Luke 6 31-33 NIV

I want them to treat her decently but I don't expect them to treat her like I would. Do you believe the love between partners should be no different than the love between anyone else?

Do you believe a parent has to have the interest of other children equal to his own children? Such a view eradicates and atomizes everyone and is such a characteristic of modern liberal idealism. Christianity never obliterated the hierarchy of relationships in our lives. It transformed them but it didn't do away with marriage, kinship, the family and friends. Because this is essentially what you are advocating when you suggest our love has to be universally equal.

 

[RamiC]

especially people in other nations who might just prefer to stay at home if the right circumstances would allow them to create a better life there, something other nations in a better position can aide in.

This I believe is a very good point, it is essential to strive for an improved quality of life in other countries, that would help.

 

[lifepsyop]

In my Bible when Christians tried to divide themselves along ethnic lines it resulted in pretty strong condemnation.

"But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astry by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the Gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, 'If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?'" - Galatians 2:11-14

I suspect that the OP isn't particularly acquainted with the Bible, Christian doctrine, or Christian moral teaching.

-CryptoLutheran

you do realize Paul is talking about the Church here, right? not the city's immigration policies.

a large percentage of migrants coming into western countries are muslim or hindu, or otherwise non-Christian, so the scripture you quoted does not apply whatsoever.

in fact if we tried to enact a 'Christian-only' immigration policy, it would ironically be the postwar consensus Christians that would be the most up in arms about it yelling "separation of church and state!!!" "no religious tests!!"

 

[lifepsyop]

No it doesn't. Who ever taught you that doesn't understand God

Real love is sacrificial. Which is a cornerstone of the Christian faith.

Fake love is when you see a hungry homeless person and pass them by saying "I love you! May God give you what you need!"

And real love is when you stop and sacrifice something of yourself for that person by giving them your food/money/time etc.

 

[timothyu]

Regardless of religion and whether it was kept separate, nations' characters are based on their majoral religion. Imagine when any country's population become a majority of outsiders from another nation. Even if their religion is not allowed to influence, it still will be an influence on their character and being the majority they can now change the rules and culture accordingly to their own ways without the need of force as the British Empire once did (which btw has backfired on them as the Isles are quickly becoming an immigrant majority)

 

[Yarddog]

I'm assuming you're a normal and decent person. Which means you take care of your responsibility to your family and immediate community but you obviously aren't giving the shirt off your back to everyone.

We are not asked to give the shirt off our backs to everyone. Jesus says "if" someone asks for these. I do help people I don't know by donating to charities that provide help for those in need.

It's not about justifying a lack of love either, but recognising my limited capacity for love. I can't love everyone equally.

YOU can't but God can through you.

I will treat my family better than I would treat a stranger. I'll love my girlfriend more than I love another women.

Treating someone better doesn't mean a lack of love for others.

This attempt to equalize all love is foolish, so when I hear these appeals to justify multiculturalism or universality amongst different peoples on the basis of Christian love I think its good to point out that not all relationships are equal. Nor do they have to be. That is the religion of Liberalism, not Christianity.

When I talk to people about how to have a successful marriage is to recognize that your spouse has a right to be different than you. Multiculturalism is the same thing.

I have incredible friends and family members that are of different cultures. But, there is really very little difference between us. We all basically want the same things in life.

 

[ralliann]

Our neighbors are all over the world. A Christian can love their neighbors, children, immigrants, etc... equally, and still provide for their children.

We cannot provide for the whole world, and not jeopardize our household.
No money for FEMA, as it is. We are not taking care of Americans in need from a disaster.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

We are not asked to give the shirt off our backs to everyone. Jesus says "if" someone asks for these. I do help people I don't know by donating to charities that provide help for those in need.

So you deny others what you would give to yourself. Therefore proving you don't love all equally. You love yourself to some degree more.

YOU can't but God can through you.

The only people God exhibits this sort of self giving love is to saints and I do not believe I am called to be a saint. Rather I am average as you are and I don't expect either of us to be given such a supernatural love. Nor would such a supernatural love obliterate all distinctions of love.

Treating someone better doesn't mean a lack of love for others.

So love is independent of action? How did God demonstrate his love for us? Through word or action?

When I talk to people about how to have a successful marriage is to recognize that your spouse has a right to be different than you. Multiculturalism is the same thing.

?

I have incredible friends and family members that are of different cultures. But, there is really very little difference between us. We all basically want the same things in life.

Do you want your family to lack things so that what they have may go to others who are more deserving? Why not?

 

[Yarddog]

We cannot provide for the whole world, and not jeopardize our household.
No money for FEMA, as it is. We are not taking care of Americans in need from a disaster.

Who said we had to provide for them?

 

[ralliann]

Who said we had to provide for them?

We have immigrants here by the millions from all over the world.

 

[timothyu]

We have immigrants here by the millions from all over the world.

Yes, roughly the whole nation, save for a few remaining originals, immigrated at some point.