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As is happening in England. I saw a news clip a short while back of a street interview with a woman saying she and her family were happy to migrate from India a half century ago because they loved the British culture. She says that is almost gone now as she feels she is back to living in India again.As happened in America.
Plover. Are you willing to admit thag MLK was not a Christian?
I guess we will. You evidently think Christians are at liberty to deny the Trinity, Jesus's resurrection and other essential Doctrines espoused in the Nicene Creed. MLK and those liberala ceased to be Christian when they denied Jesus and believed he was just an enlightened teacher. Christianity is not a materialist philosophy but we believe in miracles and the divine.No. This is something we're going to disagree about. In my view, liberal Christians are Christian. Friedrich Schliermacher was Christian. Paul Tillich was Christian. Marcus Borg was Christian. At the end of days, the Almighty (I hope) will explain to each of us which of our theological guesses were wrong. In the meantime, those who look to Jesus for salvation, or at least those who look to Jesus as a guide for their lives, I consider Christian.
De jure, no, we don't. De facto yeah, we do. It's "Katie bar the door" but Katie left an hour ago. The Mexican border has been effectively open since the beginning of the Biden regime.First off, we do not have open borders.
Observed largely in the breach right now.We have requirements for those coming into the US.
Not its proper role. Its proper role is to secure the borders, and let in we say let in and exclude who we say to exclude. It's not to stand by the door and say "Y'all come!" There are surely people who I don't want coming in. MS-13. The Cartels. Uncategorized foreign operators. Intelliegnce agents. General nogoodniks. Don't need 'em, don't want 'em, prefer they be excluded.Our immigration system does show love.
Speaking strictly for my own kinfolk, yeah. But then I may be a wee bit prejudiced there. My geekboy side makes me assume that on average, people are pretty much... average.Most all immigrants are better people than the average home grown American.
And avoids "trouble" by just handing out road maps and juice boxes to all new "imigrants".We do need improvements but Washington seems to want trouble at the border
And if the "oppression" they're fleeing is a long sentence in a Mexican hoosegow, well, we gotta show 'em Christian Love and let them in. "Judge not", right?Anyone that looks upon another person and judges them by appearance fails to show Christian love. Anyone that does not look at those fleeing oppression with compassion, fails to show Christian love.
And to keep our doors unlocked at night?Do not be a Henny Youngman Christian and try to hide behind one line of scripture to validate your views. Read everything and learn Jesus commanded us to love our enemies, neighbors, ourselves in the same manner.
Can you offer evidence of these claims, such as showing where he did so?He denied the virgin birth, resurrection of Christ, the second coming and our Lord's divinity. He wasn't a Christian.
Depending on how one defines the term "native american", about 1-3% of the inhabitants of the United States qualify.As happened in America. There is now alomost no trace of the orignial inhabitants. Until I read one of Grisham's novels, I was unaware of reservations that contain 'Native Americans'. Or is this just fiction? (I also know enough about America to know how little I understand. America and Britian are very different).
As happened in America. There is now alomost no trace of the orignial inhabitants. Until I read one of Grisham's novels, I was unaware of reservations that contain 'Native Americans'. Or is this just fiction? (I also know enough about America to know how little I understand. America and Britian are very different).
I agree that Americans in the postwar era have focused on several different human rights issues side by side. For now, though, I want to keep the focus on race, since that was the subject of your original post.
Let me ask some questions, to see whether I'm understanding you. Obviously, you're exaggerating MLK to make a point, but it sounds like you dislike the Civil Rights movement that he symbolizes. It sounds like you may be saying that the Civil Rights movement is in contrast to "classic biblical Christianity". But I may be misunderstanding you. So, some clarifying questions.
1. Do you think the Civil Rights movement in the US was a good thing, a bad thing, or a mix?
2. Do you think racial discrimination in employment, schooling, and housing is a good thing or a bad thing?
3. If the members of a congregation are a mix of races and ethnicities, is this a good thing or a bad thing?
4. If the residents of a neighborhood are a mix of races and ethnicities, is this a good thing or a bad thing?
5. If a church works to reduce racial prejudice and discrimination in their area (county, city, state), is that a good thing or a bad thing?
That is incorrect. There are restrictions for all that come to border crossings.The Mexican border has been effectively open since the beginning of the Biden regime.
That is incorrect. There are restrictions for all that come to border crossings.
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I don't see any problem at all with different ethnic groups intermingling organically. A black family shows up at a predominantly white church, they should be welcomed with open arms.
This is a far cry from programs of state engineered and state enforced mass immigration (i.e. essentially at the barrel of a gun) which often produces more ethnic tensions than it does harmony.
So, you really need to draw a distinction between natural and organic movements of peoples, and state-enforced social engineering programs.
However, to return to the subject of the thread, this program of state engineered "ethnicity-mixing" that you seem to advocate for, has nothing to do with Christianity. With the exception of the church itself under the Lordship of Jesus, there is no call to eliminate distinct ethnic groups or associations. There is no call for mass immigration programs whatsoever, especially mass immigration of other religions.
We do not have open borders. By either measure. You are advertising a total ignorance of what Open Borders mean.He said "effectively", not "according to stated policy"
You are advertising a total ignorance of the difference between de jure and de facto.
So you don't agree with state-enforced or culturally-enforced segregation (both of which were very much in force in the Virginia of my childhood). Good, I'm glad.
I really need some examples of "state enforced mass immigration" and "state-enforced social engineering programs".
If a group of families leaves a troubled area of the world (Ukraine, Somalia, Rwanda, etc.) and chooses to live instead in a country that they view as safer (such as the US or the UK), do you view this as "natural and organic movement" or "state-enforced social enginering"?
"Ethnicity-mixing" and "mass immigration" are not the same thing.
Are you chiefly opposed to large-scale immigration, or to laws addressing citizens of multiple ethnicities within a country?
I'm an American, originally from the South. When you say "state engineered ethnicity-mixing", I hear things like Brown v Board of Education and Loving v Virginia and the Fair Housing Act. Is this what you oppose, or do you have something else in mind? Again, examples would help.
As a final note: Can you tell me what country you live in?
We do not have open borders. By either measure. You are advertising a total ignorance of what Open Borders mean.
Well, we'd have plenty of workers doing the jobs which Americans don't want. About 44% of farm workers are undocumented immigrants.Oh, okay. Maybe you can enlighten me. What kinds of things would happen inside of a nation that had largely unprotected or unenforced borders?
?? That's just normal immigration policy. Native populations have no recognized rights to collectively refuse the influx of say, thousands of Somalians or Haitians, if the government decides they want to move them into anytown, USA.
"chooses to live" ? The way you're describing it is as if the whole world has an inherent right to just waltz into the USA. Is that what you think?
I'm sure you're also aware that the majority of migrants are economic/opportunistic in nature and not actually fleeing an active war or genocide.
Well, there were cases where people were literally forced at gunpoint to mix ethnic groups together. Do you support that?
It's certainly a sacred cornerstone of the postwar religion, but do you really believe that kind of threat of violence is emblematic of Christian virtue?
I live in the USA.
There are two separate questions here.
1) Immigration into the country: I agree that both visitors and immigrants to the US should be screened at the border. I agree with turning away people who have a serious criminal record. I also agree that there may be a limit on the number of new immigrants the US -- or any country -- can accept in a single year, given that a nation's resources are finite, and sudden population increases can strain those resources.
2) However, once a person has been accepted into the US (whether as a tourist, a student, a temporary worker, or a permanent resident), they then have the right to rent an apartment, buy a house, go shopping, and so on, in any town that they choose. If that's what you mean by "state-enforced social engineering", then I think it's a positive moral good. A person newly-arrived from Somalia or Haiti has every right to buy a house in my neighborhood and to send their children to my local public school.
We do not have open borders. By either measure. You are advertising a total ignorance of what Open Borders mean.
About 44% of farm workers are undocumented immigrants.
I answered your questions. We do not have open borders. But many of those that do get in illegally are doing tremendous good for Americans."It's not happening......... and it's a good thing that it is."
Okay, but what if the majority of people in America decide, "Hey, upon further consideration, we actually don't want lots of people from third-world nations coming into our country. We're going to turn off immigration from those countries."
They have that right, don't they?
And it would be okay, wouldn't it?
They're not inflicting violence upon anyone, they're simply saying, they'd like to stop immigration from such and such countries.
You personally might disagree with that decision, but surely they are not committing some awful sin by doing so, correct?
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