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Therefore repent while there is still time after all you would not want to be known as "the least "
Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called "the least" in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called "great" in the kingdom of heaven.
Wouldn't you rather have the Lord point to you and say you are "great".
If so, then why are you only keeping (not that you're really keeping them, though) the ten commandments and not the rest of the law like Jesus did? And why don't you teach in synagogues and heal the sick etc etc...Is Jesus God? Yes. Who gave to mankind the Ten Commandments? God. Did Jesus keep the Ten Commandments when He came to earth as a Man/God? Yes. Are we as professed followers of Jesus to "walk as He walked"? Yes.
Are you keeping it? Do you know anybody who do?Wrong. Any human being is either keeping the law, or breaking the law at any given moment in time.
But that's not what the bible says. The bible says we are DEAD to the law and that the law, like a diseased husband, has no claim on us. And furthermore, because we are NOT under the law, we are consequently NOT slaves to sin any longer.A true Christian keeps the law
That's not grace, that's just mercy, like a safety net.by the power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in them, and if because of human weakness he falls, and repents of his sin, that is where Jesus covers his sin with his blood.
Speak for yourself. Maybe if you realized that you're righteous, you would go straight out and sin. I wouldn't, and don't. On the contrary, grace has set me FREE from sin. It's actually you who are preaching "cheap grace", a grace which is nothing but a safety net when you fall, a grace that doesn't actually do anything or change you into a better person. It's a diluted gospel, and it's the reason there's such an abundance of sin and bondage in the church today - people are still preaching the law, and the law is still the power of sin.Your description of your Christian experience will only lead you to the fatal deception of "cheap grace", that is a "cloak for sin".
Aren't you limiting it to a purely physical thing looking at it that way? It's then a command to be kept instead of something a lot deeper?
tulc(just something that struck me)
uhmmm you mean love the Lord and our neighbor? Yep I can agree with that.
Do you mean I'm supposed to become a first century Jew living in Israel? No, I don't think that's what that means.
tulc(thinks the first portion is the correct one but has no problem if you want to do the second one)
Ahhh! So we DO have to keep the Law in order to have a right standing with God?hmmmm you mean if someone believes different from you they're wrong and just looking for an excuse for their sin?
tulc(suspects that's not right)
Speak for yourself. Maybe if you realized that you're righteous, you would go straight out and sin. I wouldn't, and don't. On the contrary, grace has set me FREE from sin.
uhmmm I'm really not trying to make myself "look smart" I ask things so I can understand better what someone means.Come on tulc, you know what I mean, stop playing word games to make yourself look smart.
orrrrr I can keep plodding along, doing what I feel the Lord would have for me to do to the best of the ability He's given me.Of course we are not going to go to Israel and become Jews, and we don't need to, you can start right now by keeping the Sabbath day holy in whatever country you live in, just like Jesus did when he was on earth.
No, that is not what I said. God knows our hearts and the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin. The
Bible says that sin is the transgression of the law. I'm just saying that God knows our heart condition 24/7. Therefore, and only those who are holy and pure will taken to heaven. If we buy into the "cheap grace" type of Gospel that you and "holo" have purchased you will find in the end that you have fallen for the sophistry of the devil.
orrrrr I can keep plodding along, doing what I feel the Lord would have for me to do to the best of the ability He's given me.
tulc(just a plodder I guess)
I assume that is why Christians are here, to make themselves look smart
What you feel might not be what is best that is why God does not leave it up to us to decide what he wants us to do. The bible filled with his holy words tells us.
It seems Paul feels we can decide for ourselves.Romans 14: 5-6 said:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. (emph. added)
I'm sure Paul does feel that way, assumeing that we woldn't be sinning. Not keeping the Sabbath or eating unclean foods would be sin.
Despite the fact that Paul is horribly misunderstood and misquoted, I don't understand why people hold the words of Paul over the very words of Yeshua Himself or the Torah of Moshe?
Why is a letter held over the Torah itself, when it should be the foundation of all believers faith?
The thing is, I don't believe Jesus' commandment to me is "keep the ten commandments". In fact, it would be SIN for me to KEEP the sabbath, since that would go against my conscience and conviction, just like it would be sin for some people to eat meat or drink wine - they can't do it with a pure heart, in faith. For me, trying to observe the sabbath or keep any other part of the law would be a betrayal against Christ and the freedom I have in Him. But if you are, as Paul says, "fully convinced in your own heart" that you are obliged to observe the sabbath in one way or another, do so! Keep it holy unto God, just like I keep every day holy unto God.Wrong. The Bible says in Hebrews 10:26, "For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins. . . "
Jesus said "If you love me keep my commandments", therefore if you know what that means
and you choose to ignore it them, or some of them, then you are sinning plain and simple. You can't give the lame excuse that you didn't know which day the Sabbath was, or no one ever told what the Ten Commandments were.
It's not a matter of holding Paul's words "above" the words of Jesus, it's a matter of dividing the scriptures properly.Despite the fact that Paul is horribly misunderstood and misquoted, I don't understand why people hold the words of Paul over the very words of Yeshua Himself or the Torah of Moshe?
It's not a matter of holding Paul's words "above" the words of Jesus, it's a matter of dividing the scriptures properly.
The key is: the new covenant started when Jesus died, not when He was born. So many people are trying to drag stuff from the OLD covenant, including some(!) of the things Jesus taught in the old covenant, into the new one.
For example, Jesus said plainly that if you want eternal life, you'll have to give all your possessions to the poor. He said it. It's true. But still, it doesn't apply to us. Why? Because we are in the NEW covenant, where we have eternal life because we believe, not because we perform. That was the whole point of what Jesus said - the law was given to show people that you can't make yourself approvable to God. But the jews twisted it and made it appear that you could, just like most christians are doing now.
So when he says "Keep it, don't keep it, but whichever you choose, do it in faith." what he means is "Keep the Sabbath or you're sinning."?I'm sure Paul does feel that way, assumeing that we woldn't be sinning. Not keeping the Sabbath or eating unclean foods would be sin.
...so the same Lord who inspired those others didn't inspire Paul?Despite the fact that Paul is horribly misunderstood and misquoted, I don't understand why people hold the words of Paul over the very words of Yeshua Himself or the Torah of Moshe?
Because when I got born again I became a Christian not Jewish? I believe I can learn things from the Law, but I'm not bound by the Law. See the difference?Why is a letter held over the Torah itself, when it should be the foundation of all believers faith?
tulc(and to you also!)Regards,
Zak
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