Christians and Neurology

[Dorothy Mae]

You have many misunderstanding about The Bible and the Spiritual.

Where? Answer the post instead of accusing me.

You worked to falsely associate me with New Age like a New Age Guru. In doing so you have woven deceit.

Untrue. Never said you were like a guru. You dint know as much as they do.

I don't have to defend against baseless accusations.

iow, you can’t.

The Topic is Christians and Neurology. In order to best explain how The Spiritual works someone needs a good definition of what a Spirit is, and what a Soul is to be able to most accurately define how they interact.

Neither the Bible nor science agree.

You appear to be someone who hates Truth, and is working to hide something

You must be American They generally only know as hominem attacks.

I was not challenged nor enlightened any by your continued false accusations of me being new age.

Didnt say that. Said your post is, not you.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

https://www.gotquestions.org/accepting-Christ.html

You are not an authority. You should stop writing like you are.

I was a life long Christian. Around age 30, I received a calling. I went from regular man to talking to God and receiving a lot of cause and effect with the spiritual.

Given you have some issue you could comment nicely and ask questions instead of accusing and berating.

If your source was God, you’d be able to answer the points not accuse me of evil. Your response reminds me of those who hated Jesus

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Your post reminded me of them.

Yes. seems to be the same.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

https://www.gotquestions.org/accepting-Christ.html

You are not an authority. You should stop writing like you are.

I was a life long Christian. Around age 30, I received a calling. I went from regular man to talking to God and receiving a lot of cause and effect with the spiritual.

Given you have some issue you could comment nicely and ask questions instead of accusing and berating.

I’ve run into a number of people like you. They demand others be impressed with their “spiritual depth” and woe to them if they aren’t. They demand others ask them questions as they KNOW.

 

[Man on Fire]

I’ve run into a number of people like you. They demand others be impressed with their “spiritual depth” and woe to them if they aren’t. They demand others ask them questions as they KNOW.

You were attacking me. You were rude. I asked you to stop. You are still attacking me.

 

[Man on Fire]

If your source was God, you’d be able to answer the points not accuse me of evil. Your response reminds me of those who hated Jesus

https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/10-awesome-traits-of-a-godly-woman/

Those may be traits of a Godly woman.

Are those the traits you have been displaying?

 

[Man on Fire]

Dorothy Mae, we can discuss everything I wrote earlier. I would just like you to be nice and not attack me. Do you agree?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Dorothy Mae, we can discuss everything I wrote earlier. I would just like you to be nice and not attack me. Do you agree?

We can start over sure.

 

[Man on Fire]

We can start over sure.

I have done no "New Age" or Eastern Mysticism.

You seemed to be very adamant about having a relationship with God. I also agree that is important. I have a relationship with God.

 

[Foxfyre]

Like what? What info did He give that you weren’t asking for? Don’t take this personally. When anyone including me, makes a claim, I test it against real life.

So i’m wondering what sort of info you recall getting from God Himself that you didn’t ask for.

It's usually small things, simple things. Like having the nagging impulse to pick up the phone and call somebody that you normally wouldn't call. And then when you do, you find out that person really needed that phone call. Or you get an idea in your head with no clue why it is mulling around in there until you find out why you needed it.

A pastor friend recounted to me recently that she had gotten up, gotten her coffee, and was settled in to do her morning devotionals before the rest of the household woke up, and she started getting a sermon in her head that just came coming almost too fast for her to write down. And when it was done she was irritated that it had taken up all that time, and for what purpose? What for? I grinned and asked her when she preached it. She smiled and said that very morning. She was called to give the lesson for a friend who had gotten il.

I usually never know where it is going, but it's a great ride.

 

[SolomonVII]

There is a oneness of Body and Spirit that goes beyond any individual. Jesus is the eternally begotten son of the father and he is eternally begotten in all of his sheep.
Not only is spirit and body and soul inextricably linked so as to exist as oneness, but we are all inextricably linked to each other. Whatsoever we do to the least of our brother that is what we do to Christ.
The sacrament of marriage is the living symbol that describes this ultimate reality of the oneness of the whole of humanity. Yet, men and women no longer are given to each other in marriage in the ultimate reality of heaven, because the lines of demarcation between ourselves as individuals no longer exist in that reality. The one body union of the body of man and woman experienced in marital bliss that defines the reproductive organism is redundant in a world where the borders between individuals are essentially erased, where Adam and Eve are undivided and contain all of humanity within.

Science often tries to project the body as a machine that generates the non-physical world of spirit and soul, and that as body dies, so does soul and spirit become extinguished, like the screen of a movie after the power cord is unplugged. And surely the physiological processes of our bodies do generate the waves of our consciousness, and our emotions, and our higher cognitive, and social abilities. Change the neuronal impulses and the hormonal balances, and there is nothing about us that remains the same. We very much are our bodies.

But as long as Jesus is the eternally begotten son of the father, the body itself is eternal too. We are more than a singular body generating states of consciousness.

Jesus died like a seed that falls to the ground, and yet he lives on in the fields of wheat that spring forth from the mouths of his followers, just as he promises. The individuality of each and every one of us, including the experience of individuality by the historic Christ, is the ordinary reality that we experience. This is the reality that science can measure, and reductively explore in order to advance our knowledge and understanding and wisdom essential to adapt and survive in a world that is constantly changing.

The extraordinary reality is that we live on in each other, and in Christ. This reality is just as essential for our survival in this world, but it is not discerned through the methods of science, but only through the Spirit. To know the Spirit is to know that we and our brothers and sisters are one. What happens to one of us, happens to all of us.

 

[Radagast]

There are plenty of articles from Christian neurologists that show that increased spiritual activities in Christians bring along changes in the brain, which result in changes in behaviour.

The soul affects the body; the body affects the soul.

In fact, there is nothing biblical that suggests that there is a dualism of body and soul.

Apart from all those verses that talk about a soul, e.g. Matthew 10:28.

It even speaks about the resurrection of the body.

Which implies that the soul persists while the body is dead.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

...because the lines of demarcation between ourselves as individuals no longer exist in that reality.

That's an unsubstantiated claim.

where Adam and Eve are undivided and contain all of humanity within.

That one's unsubstantiated and creepy, to boot.

We very much are our bodies.

The body is a machine and cannot do what machines are fundamentally incapable of doing. It cannot provide a medium for experiencing life (rather than simply being alive) on its own, and it cannot provide for immutable identity.

In terms of experiencing life, a television may provide the image, which is something possible for a machine, but the television cannot experience the image. A video camera can be aimed at the television and seeing it, but it cannot experience the image. A computer with artificial intelligence can use the camera to react to the image, but the computer cannot experience it, even still.

In terms of immutability, you can graft or amputate or conjoin a human, but the identity of that being remains unitary all the same. Materials enter and leave constantly, but the person remains a fixed unitary concept.

 

[mama2one]

My main issue comes with not knowing how much is tied to the body and how much to a non-comporeal entity, namely the soul

our bodies are so amazing with their abilities to repair

when we adopted our child, thought about bringing her to a neurologist as some adopted parents had amazing stories

kids have been able to learn things missed in childhood through exercises but many, many hrs of exercises and doing the same thing over and over to develop those pathways

we chose to go to an OT instead
fortunately, at one time had thought about becoming an OT so I had a couple yrs of educ on that path and recognized our child as a sensory seeker so we got her some OT to help regulate/fill-in-the blanks

but people who are able to heal through neurology spend hrs and hrs and imagine that is the spirit of the person enabling them with God's help to commit to such rigorous protocol

 

[SolomonVII]

That's an unsubstantiated claim.



That one's unsubstantiated and creepy, to boot.


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You'd have to follow the actual argument from the perspective of the Bible in order to find any substance to what I said.
Quote mining strips away what the claim was referencing in the first place, and is therefore not a criticism that is worth taking seriously.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I have done no "New Age" or Eastern Mysticism.

You seemed to be very adamant about having a relationship with God. I also agree that is important. I have a relationship with God.

It’s not a “start over” if you continue attacking me personally. Do you want to try again?

 

[Man on Fire]

It’s not a “start over” if you continue attacking me personally. Do you want to try again?

You keep trying to make me the subject instead of the ideas.

What is your goal here?

What are you hoping to achieve?

 

[Man on Fire]

It’s not a “start over” if you continue attacking me personally. Do you want to try again?

I don't know that many Christian really understand what a Spirit is and what a Soul is and what the Bible says about them, and how they actually interact. I recevied a calling from God, and have been learning as taught by the Holy Ghost. The following are some articles that may aid someone in seeing:

https://www.christianforums.com/blogs/the-heart-and-honor-and-the-soul.58324/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChristianMysticism/comments/8si6qj/what_are_spirits/

More or less, I went from normal man to very sensitive to spiritual things and God.


A Soul is you. It is your identity and character and so on.

Your Body is a Temple. The Spirit of God Dwells in you.

Spirits have character. God has a character. Someone accepts in the Spirit of God, and goes through baptism and other things a pastor or priest may have him do. The individual changes his identity. Before, he was of the world and of the flesh. He works to develop Godly Character, and is mindful that he becomes part of the Body of Christ after confession, repentance, and communion. Tapping into The Spirit of God may be intuitive at first. There is cause and effect to it. Faith is a knowledgeable dependence.

There are other spirits. Other spirits may have characters. These spirits may have tied themselves or rooted themselves or haunted various parts of the body. They may have planted seeds as thoughts, and given someone listened to them, and didn't shake them off, he may have given root to something. Their soul or identity may have been molded towards dishonorable and corrupt passions and forms.

Growing in Faith, at some point, I became aware that I was working on autopilot and a blindman for most of my life, and with God I was working more at 100% or more of my creators intent. My soul and God's spirit wove together in some way.

The above is not New Age or Eastern Mysticism. It is working towards Truth.

 

[Man on Fire]

Question: What did you mean by "Tapping into the Spirit of God?"

A Christian goes to Church on Sundays usually. He sits in the Pews. He does worship and listens to the pastor. He feels good. He may have no knowledge of the Spiritual. He may have ideas and concepts and doctrines that are taught to him. He may not know or understand how they work.

"Tapping into the Spirit of God" may not have been the most right phrase to use. What I was referring to is a Spiritual Awareness that may come suddenly for some. Before they were an average man as far as they knew or were concerned. They become spiritually aware.

Your Body is a Temple. Jesus lives inside of you. Someone Spiritually Aware, may be growing in Faith and experiencing God.

New Age people talk about "Christ Consciousness" and there are various Eastern Mystical Traditions that involve Spirits. There are reasons for their beliefs, and may be cause and effect to them. What Spirit is someone of?

God has a character.

God is Love. His Love is fatherly.

God has Good plans. (Jeremiah 29:11)

God is a Jealous God.

Someone who created a "False Christ" and has the character of God wrong may be experiencing some other spirits.

"Tapping into the Spirit of God" is something that I used to describe a change or spiritual awareness. Someone who is aware may be able to grow in Faith and knowledge of God, and is experiencing cause and effect with the Spiritual and their relationship with God.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

This topic has started to bother me. And I am not speaking as a paranoid conspiracy theorist, but as a Christian first and aspiring medical professional second. My main issue comes with not knowing how much is tied to the body and how much to a non-comporeal entity, namely the soul.
There are plenty of articles from Christian neurologists that show that increased spiritual activities in Christians bring along changes in the brain, which result in changes in behaviour. But aren't those fruits of the Spirit? Or are the fruits inevitably tied to our bodies? In fact, there is nothing biblical that suggests that there is a dualism of body and soul. It even speaks about the resurrection of the body. It speaks about the dualism between desires of the flesh and the spirit, but apparently both are manifestations of the body, of us. The problem is that we have no way of knowing. Neuroscience is very young, and besides, the biblical is written with a spiritual view in mind. We can observe natural truths, but not spiritual ones.

Typically, I am in favour of sciences, if practiced with God. We learn about God's glorious creation and we can see His hands in it.
However, this reasoning stops working for me when it comes to neuroscience. Yes, I know that Gid created the brain and whatever happens there is by His design. Still, this is an irrational fear and thus it is hard to reason it away.
Maybe it is because I feel like my faith is threatened? Either way, I am a little scared of this topic, but I do not want to avoid it, but face it.

Do you have any input on that or anything that can help me be at peace with this topic, that would be awesome. Is there even a duality between body and soul? And if not, what would that mean? As always, biblically based reason and theology is what I am looking for.

Oh, and please leave go easy on the "all sciences are false" angle. God created the world and we observe it. Sciences are not evil, evil people merely use it to ungodly ends. I do not wish to drive the topic in that direction.

I think it will be important to realize that the world of doctors/scientists/neurology will not be able to address anything in terms of the spirit or soul of a man from their expertise. They might try if their world view is materialism. Those guys will say there isn’t one. But that’s not science talking. So it’s important to see that your colleagues cannot day anything to that as a doctor.

If you as a doctor realize the soul or spirit can impact a mans health, your answer for them will not come from science. Real science cannot speak to non-material matters much.

If a patient, for example, has a complaint whose root cause is actually unforgiveness, how shall any scientist know this? A christian walking with God might. But no MRI is going to show it. See what I mean?