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That was wikipedia, I just cut and paste.
Wikipedia added that simple definition of atheism.
Not harsh at all, no one can with any confidence, claim that a deity does not exist.
Certainly we cannot make assertions one way or the other.
An assertion that a God does not exist, is exactly what a hard atheist claims. See the definition of a hard atheist in the earlier post.
Whether a God has contradictory attributes is not what we are discussing.
Thor could exist, what has that got to do with the conversation.
I do not claim ownership of God, so I would not call a God, 'my God'.
A square circle is a paradox by definition.
Not sure what your arguing here?
I don't need to settle any debate, that is not my concern. Everyone will find out sooner or later whether God exists anyway, we just need to be patient.
By the way, the knowledge of Jesus Christ is a revelation. One cannot deduce that Jesus is the Lord of Heaven and Earth, God's intervention is necessary.
Well, let's just cut right to the heart of the matter. Let's take Baal for example. Was he a real god unrelated to Jehovah, or was he one of Jehovah's fallen angels, or did he never exist apart from being an idea?
This is nothing more than blank assertions, with absolutely no substance. So until you provide specifics, and also demonstrate how all opposing anecdotal claims are false, your response is nothing more than sheer fallacious banter.
The Scriptures are clear. You do know there is a God (Romans 1:18-21)I'm sure by now we all know that most atheists are lack-of-belief atheists and not there-definitely-is-no-God atheists. Despite this, many Christians saddle atheists with the positive claim that God does not exist so they can respond to their own strawman by saying that one cannot possibly inspect every crevice reality to make such a conclusion. Yet these same Christians positively assert that no God exists aside from the God of the Bible. How do they know this? Even if their God is assumed to exist, how does the existence of a supreme deity negate the existence of a lesser deity? How can it be said that Christians are even remotely reasonable on this issue? Or do Christians allow for the possibility that, say, Thor really does or did exist?
For me the experiences were very real, like being filled with the Holy spirit, feeling the glory of God, feeling his presence and others. You call that allucinations of delusions i know the way.
What about all the near death experiences, and same feelings received from alternate Gods. in which others believe, which are just as heart-felt as yours?
I guess is impossible to tell just reading who had real experiences with God and who didn't, but i'm so already sold to God being real, because of all i have experienced, it is not easy to describe, but for me those experiences are so important and were life changing. I often think to myself when speaking with unbelievers: "if this person only knew...."
If you are interested in knowing which god is true, investigate yourself who can be the true one, i already found Him.
I think finding God is the most important part in life.
And i'm not talking about finding a religion, but actually finding an alive and active God.
I hear what you are saying, and actually believe you. However, I've spoken to countless people, with their life changing anecdotal experiences. Many of them not Christian in orientation.
So I ask... If the others, whom experienced just as real of events as you, truly felt they had them, and I believe they actually have had them, how might one go about concluding which one is right, if any? But you kind of already answered, by stating it is 'impossible to tell'.
So how might such anecdotal experiences convince others? And more importantly, if you openly admit no such events can be proven, then why even bring them up as 'evidence' to others at all?
I mean, if a Hindu came up to you and told you of their experiences with their creator(s), and was willing to lay down their life for this believed event, would you even care? Would it even begin to convince you of Vishnu/other? I hasten to say it would do no such thing.
I'm sure by now we all know that most atheists are lack-of-belief atheists and not there-definitely-is-no-God atheists. Despite this, many Christians saddle atheists with the positive claim that God does not exist so they can respond to their own strawman by saying that one cannot possibly inspect every crevice reality to make such a conclusion. Yet these same Christians positively assert that no God exists aside from the God of the Bible. How do they know this? Even if their God is assumed to exist, how does the existence of a supreme deity negate the existence of a lesser deity? How can it be said that Christians are even remotely reasonable on this issue? Or do Christians allow for the possibility that, say, Thor really does or did exist?
Because we need to tell what God has done, valid as a sort of a eyewitness account.
I think is almost the only way people find God, trough testimonies and preaching that can't be scientifically proven, is not like finding God in the sky some day.
Sure, Thor could "exist," assuming the Bible is false. But of course, I'm going to have a slew of Hermeneutical inquiries to make if I'm inclined to think that Thor "exists" on more than just a comic-book page since I live in one of today's Western paradigms, with science standing at the helm.
I'm sorry, but this is in no way answered my seemingly concise questions...
1. How do you know the ones speaking to other gods are wrong, whom carry just as much as genuine conviction as you? You already answered, you can't; as you confirmed it is impossible.
2. Why even bring up anecdotal experiences at all, when many of opposing beliefs, provide the very same heart-felt ones, in which they truly believe internally as well? Unanswered...
3. Would any opposing anecdotal testimonials given to you, with as much sincerity and earnestness, even begin to sway your current conclusions about your current beliefs? Unanswered.... But I doubt it would even matter. So why give yours?.?.?.?
Well, could you blame them if they did? (rhetorical question)... But you are leaving out one important piece...
Was the intent of the comic book to represent truth in the existence of Thor?.?.? (Not rhetorical)
1. Allah didn't do anything to me. And there can be only one truth.
2 I did answered that one, is important to give testimony and preach since is the almost the only way to know God. Study the different beliefs and experiences and make conclusions.
3. Thing is for me are not 'anecdotal' they were very real, and then i logically assume other religions experiences are NOT from their respective Gods because if God exists then allah etc don't.
Anyways, remember that i'm not in any obligation in answering your questions, like if you deserve something or anything like it.
I agree that there exists one true answer to each very specific question, (for the most part), and specifically so in this case.
However, millions claim Allah has, with as much, or seemingly even more conviction in claimed truth as you. So much so, they are willing to martyr and/or even die for it. So why is yours more truthful or valid? What sets their truth apart from yours, if the experience or feeling itself, or the feeling of contact, is not the actual gauge for it's truthiness?
But I hear testimonial truths from the opposing gods as well. Theirs appear just as 'possible' as yours. But quite frankly, it would not matter if I agreed with their assertions or not. Their God either actually exists, and is asserting truth, or not - whether I agree or can make sense of it or not. My point being, I just want to know which one actually exists, if any? And thus far, personal experiences and testimonials does not appear to be any foundational methodology to provide as such. It lends nothing to the cause.
All I receive from such claimers, such as you, is that they feel it is real. Well, so do the ones whom have their feelings, in direct opposition to yours.
an·ec·do·tal
/ˌanəkˈdōdl/
adjective
adjective: anecdotal
(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.
I'm not sure why you feel necessary to mention as such? The exchange goes both ways, at all times. No one forced you to sign up here and engage. But if the questions start to get uncomfortable (meaning, they are difficult to reconcile using logic), will you leave? That's the question, in which of course, you are not obligated to answer
In a certain kind of way, some comic books up until at least 1980's, have "represented" some form or other of truth, typically of moral truth. This wouldn't be surprising since a lot of comic books from the 1930s to the 1980s have had Jewish writers/creators.
But as for the specific topic of 'Thor,' I'm not actually focusing on the comic-book per say. No, what I'm saying is that without deep hermeneutical study of the literary and religious forms by which the concept of 'Thor' has come to us in history, primarily as a Nordic version of Hercules, then I'd have little reason to be concerned with the entity of Thor as being anything other than just a modern day adapted figure in comic books.
lol, all 'atheists' logic goes to the garbage bin once you encounter Jesus.
LOL, and like I've told many others here, which seems to be validated time and time again...
When the person on the other end feels they no longer have any valid responses, they either:
1. Change the subject
2. State they will no longer respond, or stop responding
3. Insult
So far, you are 3 out of 3
BTW, I'm undecided, not an atheist. Indoctrination has a tight grip on me, even to this day.
I did not insult you, where i offended you...
This is not a very kind 2 way conversation as it should be and you started it by being the 'hard to please' one.
I did not change any subject, you are being the 'i must win this conversation' type here.
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