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Christianity's most inconsistent position

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OK, so how does a conversation go when you talk to an atheist who insists that no deity could possibly exist?

Huh?

"Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. It proposes positive disbelief rather than mere suspension of belief." (Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
 
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The existence of one true God doesn’t mean false gods can’t exist, it just means their existence won’t last.
 
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Huh?

"Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. It proposes positive disbelief rather than mere suspension of belief." (Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

That's the opinion of one guy. William Rowe. Did he say that before or after he became an atheist? Also, how far did you have to dig to find that one? Were all the other definitions on the more accessible dictionaries contrary to your agenda here?

A couple pages back a Christian posted a definition that fully agrees with my position.

Anyway, are you just here to play semantic games or do you have a useful response to the OP?
 
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You appear to have made up your own definitions.

As I said to another user here,

A couple pages back a Christian posted a definition that fully agrees with my position.

Anyway, are you just here to play semantic games or do you have a useful response to the OP?
 
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That's the opinion of one guy. William Rowe.

No, it's the meaning of the word. If you prefer, there's these:

"The 'a-' in 'atheism' must be understood as negation instead of absence, as 'not' instead of 'without.' Therefore, in philosophy at least, atheism should be construed as the proposition that God does not exist (or, more broadly, the proposition that there are no gods)." (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

"atheism: the view that there are no gods" (Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy)

Were all the other definitions on the more accessible dictionaries contrary to your agenda here?

Obviously, the place to look to for a definition of a technical term in philosophy is in a general reference work on philosophy.

And please keep the ad hominem down to a dull roar.

Anyway, are you just here to play semantic games or do you have a useful response to the OP?

For the benefit of those reading the thread, I'm pointing out that the entire OP is a straw man built on a false premise. That's really all that can be usefully said about the O.P.
 
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But that's exactly wrong.

amoral means without morals

immoral means not moral



Obviously, the place to look to for a definition of a technical term in philosophy is in a general reference work on philosophy.

And please keep the ad hominem down to a dull roar.

Ad hominem? I said nothing about you. I can describe your agenda without saying anything about you.



For the benefit of those reading the thread, I'm pointing out that the entire OP is a straw man built on a false premise. That's really all that can be usefully said about the O.P.

OK. Bye.
 
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We believe that the supreme being is the God of the Bible. That God tells us that "I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God." (Isaiah 45:5).

We know there are no others gods because God tells us there are no other gods.
So do Muslims. I listen to Voice of Islam radio and they believe in the one true god, maker of Adam and Eve, all seeing, all knowing one god only.

Muslims argue that Christians break gods laws by believing in three gods - you shall have other god but me - abs all that.
 
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1 Kings 11:5, Moloch is referred to as "detestable" or "abominable" depending on the translation.
1Ki 11:4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
1Ki 11:5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
1Ki 11:6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.

The idolatry of the Ammonites, worshiping false gods, was the abomination spoken of.
This scripture doesn't say anything about God hating any false god.
 
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Because christians do not follow an imaginary God, when God enters the life of someone things start to change, and there is plenty of proof of God for us in the way of experiences like receiving the Holy spirit for example. And God said he does not know any other God. So by having God do things to you, you have good proof and logically you can assume the bible should be all true.
 
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OK fine. God says he's a jealous God. "Don't worship other gods because I'm jealous." Same idea. How can he be jealous of a god that doesn't exist? Further, why would the Jews have even the slightest inkling to worship a slab of stone when a living god performed countless miracles to take them out of slavery? Perhaps because the reality was that all gods were mere slabs of stone, and were all equally "real"?
 
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I have a question or two...

I speak to plenty of people at work whom say God speaks to them as well, but they are not Christian. So how might one know they are mistaken, while you are correct?

Furthermore, if humans are fallible in their senses, as demonstrated by the reality that many claim things which are later verified false, then how are you so sure you are correct?
 
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OK fine. God says he's a jealous God. "Don't worship other gods because I'm jealous." Same idea. How can he be jealous of a god that doesn't exist?
God wasn't/isn't jealous of a god. God is jealous for people and against idolatry. If one puts the love of money before their love for God that's idolatry.
Paul uses 'jealousy' in the same sense in this verse.
2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
 
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Usually the Holy spirit 'speaks' through impulses spiritually, you can feel him, discern him. Is very important that we christians listen only to God and not other spirits. I don't think any other religion have an equivalent to the Holy spirit.
 
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So 'no other gods before me' is not literal?
 
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The flesh is weak, in some the faith is weak as well, and it only takes a few bad actors to turn the weak from the way that they should go.

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
 
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Usually the Holy spirit 'speaks' through impulses spiritually, you can feel him, discern him. Is very important that we christians listen only to God and not other spirits. I don't think any other religion have an equivalent to the Holy spirit.

I don't feel you answered my questions. Let me put it in a different way.

Are human minds flawed?

If so, how are you able to determine your senses are valid?

When other opposing god believers state they receive contact from their opposing gods, how do you know they are mistaken?

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Another follow up question, in direct response to your last response... Do you think other god/spirits exist, and interact with humans?
 
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