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Christianity Vs Mormonism

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If Christians can believe text that says Jesus came to this earth 2000 years ago, why do they not believe a book that says he returned 200 years ago?

The Book of Mormon is equally justified as evidence of Jesus on this earth as the Bible is. Both are accounts of other peoples' experiences with Jesus.

So whats the truth? And how can it be proven?
 

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Actually, in the face of archeology, the Bible looks better and better as we find more discoveries, and the Mormon "scriptures" look worse and worse. Christianity hasn't had a "Book of Abraham" incident, unlike the Mormons. Christianity is not afraid to have its holy sites excavated, but the Mormons won't have the supposed location of Cumorah excavated. And of course, Christianity's claims of which civilization had what technology have been proven correct as with the discovery of Tyre and Sidon, but Mormonism's claims of iron-working civilizations in the Americas before the Europeans came over have absolutely no evidence.
 
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If Christians can believe text that says Jesus came to this earth 2000 years ago, why do they not believe a book that says he returned 200 years ago?
Because said book was written by an occultist who supposedly got this information on golden plates, which do not appear to exist, and said information contradicts the information found in a much more reliable historical document.
The Book of Mormon is equally justified as evidence of Jesus on this earth as the Bible is. Both are accounts of other peoples' experiences with Jesus.
However, both accounts are not the same and they are not equally justifiable as you assert. One account was actually 66 separate accounts over a time span of 1500 years, much of the information contained agreeing with the other whereas the other account was written by one man, a known occultist who broke the law and based his account on documents that were never found.

So whats the truth? And how can it be proven?
The truth is that Israelites could not possibly have walked through America in the timespan claimed due to archeological evidence whereas a plethora of archeological finds fully support the claims of the Bible.
 
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If Christians can believe text that says Jesus came to this earth 2000 years ago, why do they not believe a book that says he returned 200 years ago?
history, do you know the history of origins of the book of Mormon? Do you know of all of the "updates" and changes the book of Mormon has undertaken to remain relevant? Do you know of all of the false prophesies that book and (by definition not name calling) it's false prophet have made? Do you know what the bible says about false prophets?


The Book of Mormon is equally justified as evidence of Jesus on this earth as the Bible is. Both are accounts of other peoples' experiences with Jesus.
This is what Mormons are taught, but it is not true.


So whats the truth? And how can it be proven?
By taking an honest look at an original copy of the book of Mormon and compare it to scripture and reality.
 
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If Christians can believe text that says Jesus came to this earth 2000 years ago, why do they not believe a book that says he returned 200 years ago?

The Book of Mormon is equally justified as evidence of Jesus on this earth as the Bible is. Both are accounts of other peoples' experiences with Jesus.
One is non-fiction while the other is fiction. Just because a marine biology textbook and Moby Dick both mention whales doesn't mean that they fall on the same side of the fiction/non-fiction divide.
 
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Actually, in the face of archeology, the Bible looks better and better as we find more discoveries, and the Mormon "scriptures" look worse and worse. Christianity hasn't had a "Book of Abraham" incident, unlike the Mormons. Christianity is not afraid to have its holy sites excavated, but the Mormons won't have the supposed location of Cumorah excavated. And of course, Christianity's claims of which civilization had what technology have been proven correct as with the discovery of Tyre and Sidon, but Mormonism's claims of iron-working civilizations in the Americas before the Europeans came over have absolutely no evidence.

I think I might be reading what you wrote about Tyre and Sidon wrong, since they were never discovered, having been continuously inhabited since ancient times (Today, Tyre and Sidon are currently the third and fourth largest cities in Lebanon.)
 
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If you look at the bible is says that the Messiah is the one who is fulfil all of the prophecies. It also is made clear that the Messiahs life will be like that of Moses, Moses being the first redeemer, the Messiah being the final redeemer. The prophecies from Abraham to David state that the Messiah will be descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, be of the tribe of Judah, and of the House of David.

This disqualifies the vast majority of the worlds population and religious leaders from being the Messiah. The only person who has qualified in any sense of the word to be Messiah is Jesus of Nazareth.

So anyone who has come after him and claims to be anything, of have any new revelation from God also falls down because he is the final word from God.
 
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If Christians can believe text that says Jesus came to this earth 2000 years ago, why do they not believe a book that says he returned 200 years ago?

The Book of Mormon is equally justified as evidence of Jesus on this earth as the Bible is. Both are accounts of other peoples' experiences with Jesus.

So whats the truth? And how can it be proven?

http://equip.org/perspectives/are-mormons-christians
http://equip.org/articles/the-book-of-mormon-vs-the-bible
http://equip.org/perspectives/what-is-the-difference-between-the-mormon-jesus-and-the-jesus-of-the-bible
http://equip.org/perspectives/do-mormons-accept-what-orthodox-christianity-considers-biblical-salvation
http://equip.org/articles/mormon-proof-texts-from-the-bible
http://equip.org/articles/is-the-book-of-mormon-credible-
 
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Well the best thing you can do is read about it on cult sites, there are lots goodies there. I did a study some years ago and it was a joke, honestly, total rubish. But I have forgotten most of it, must have been 10 years ago. So rather than bore you with a debate. I want to do something more helpful in my eyes to you. If you don't like it too bad I am forcing it upon you. Paragraphs and paragraphs of text, to tire your eyes, with miracles that God has performed to help me or others. Why to try to open up your eyes to the truth about who God really is.


One morning I got up and walked into the hall and I heard a voice that I believed was God say "How would you like to be stabbed in the Valley". The Valley was known as the rough end of town, and the voice scared me a little, I wondered if I had done something to offend God. I had planned to go down to the Valley to ask people out to church as was my habit at the time. In the end I went anyway regardless of the fear. I walked up to the first person I met and asked him if he would like to go out to church. He said to me "I am an atheist, I don't believe in God". I just said "fine", but hoped to change his mind. He then proceeded to unbutton his shirt and showed me scar marks up and down his chest and stomach. He said to me, "I was attacked by a knife wielding man in the Valley some time ago and spent months recovering in hospital, How could God allow that to happen to me". Then I knew why God had said in the morning "How would I like to be stabbed?". God understood this man, but had a good plan for him. Some weeks latter this man came out to church and became a Christian.

Some time after the second Gulf War an Australian man Douglas Wood was captured by terrorists in Iraq, who made demands for a ransom or he would be executed. I set about fasting and praying for his release, I said to God "You know where he is....tell me". Three words entered my mind ABC, Bizaar and "A-meal". I thought "I am going crazy what has all that got to do with him. Bizaar I though "this is Bizarre". I thought maybe "A-meal" is a town so I searched a map of Iraq for a town of that name, but found nothing that really matched. Some time latter Douglas Wood was freed by US troops who came across his captors. It was not until latter that I actually discovered what the three words meant. I was on a forum libertyunites.us and came across a post by a user called ABC in the post she appealed to the captors to release Douglas Wood because he had gone to a/or the Bazaar and bought food for homeless people and had provided them with "A-meal". I believe God saw this action too and blessed Douglas Wood with an escape from his captors.

One time I thought about suing some one but felt bad about it because I did not want to give a bad impression about what a Christian is like. So I prayed and asked God to show me clearly what to do. Latter that day I opened my bible at random, selecting a random verse and it opened to 1Co 6:7 "Nay, already it is altogether a defect in you, that ye have lawsuits one with another. Why not rather take wrong? why not rather be defrauded?" So I knew what God was thinking, no lawsuit. From this I do not believe God was saying the legal system is wrong just this particular action.

At one point in my life I was praying for scientific cures for illnesses like cancer. Because I was on a science kick I thought would it not be fun to create a real life dinosaur. I wanted Jesus just for fun to show me how to create a Real Live Dinosaur, he can show us anything you know if he wants, but when I asked him how to start recreating a Dinosaur. Jesus spoke into my head the sentence "bood", a term I had never heard before. I decided to look it up on the Internet and I found out the following: You see, the children of Semai are taught from an early age, the concept of "bood." If a parent asks a child to do something and the child replies " bood," it means in other words, "I don't feel like doing that," and the matter is closed. Bood means gently No.

One day I was witnessing to a Muslim and he asked me why we ate pork. I used the verse out of the bible which says "It is not what enters the mouth that defiles a man but what comes out of the mouth". After some general discussion I finished for the night. I asked God to give me a verse from the bible to encourage me. I opened the bible at random and selected a random verse. It opened to the exact same verse that I had used with the Muslim. The one about food not defiling. So I knew that God was approving of what I had been talking about.

Wisdom, like an inheritance, is a good thing and benefits those who see the sun. - Ecc 7:11 I have always considered it wise to seek God for every thing in life. By this I do not mean "God, what should I eat" or "what should I wear". Not small insignificant things but things that matter. God cares about the things that we see as significant, things that are important to us. There was a point in my life where I was single, unmarried and constantly bombarded by the worlds system of doing things, a system to which I was diametrically opposed. I wanted to find a partner, but was not really sure how to go about it. By trade I am a computer programmer so the Internet was very familiar to me. So I tried internet dating. I remember getting to a point of meeting quite a few people but not really fully clicking with any of them. So I prayed and said out of all the thousands of people that are online in the world there must be some one who could make a good partner for me. So I deliberately listened for God’s voice, and prayed once. The word “Grace” entered my mind. So I typed “Grace” into the search box (that was used to search for profiles). The first profile to come up was of Ru Chen. I had been contacted by Ru Chen once, but we were unable to send messages to one another over the site for some unknown reason. So I tried to contact her again, but again with no success. Some time latter Ru was able to contact me using an email I had sent to her when she had first contacted me, after chatting online for some weeks we decided to meet. We went out together to the movies and just eating out, and seeing each other for some time. Eventually we decided to marry. We went out and bought a ring. Some months latter we got married.

This is a story of God working between me an my wife to get his point accross. One night I was laying on my bed and the verse of scripture came into my mind "With patience possess your souls". Latter that week my wife called me into the bedroom where she was reading the bible not knowing anyting about what I had heard said to me "this is a verse you will like", a thing she never has done before. It was Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord's coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop and how patient he is for the autumn and spring rains. You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord's coming is near.Jas 5:7-8 It was not that I was not being patient, for I was, when talking to my mother about it we both felt it ment, the coming of the LORD is near means his intervention in our lives is near. When we are patient we reap a harvest of his blessing given time. So by faith I believe some time, sooner or latter God will do something if we just wait patiently and obediently for him to act, even if it is his final salvation on his return.



I was praying for all Muslum countries on the 27 of Febuary 2011, and specifically for the president of Iran, which I do whenever I pray for them. That God might bring them to salvation that can only be found in the Love and mercy of Jesus Christ. Like the bible says there is no other name given under heaven or earth by which man can be saved. I went into the kitchen, and asked the LORD for a verse of scripture for him, I opened the bible up to a verse, It was quite condemning, so I said LORD you must be able to have more mercy than that. So I opend up the bible again and it opened to "Seek good, not evil, that you may live. Then the LORD God Almighty will be with you, just as you say he is." - Amo 5:14. I was not sure if either of the verses were for him, so I did not send anything. The next day I was having a break from work and thought of him again. So I prayed LORD do you have anything that I can send to bless him with. This time I was on the computer so I used my electronic bible, a different one to the night before. I randomly selected a verse, not looking at where I was choosing and it rested on the exact same verse I had received the night before. "Seek good, not evil, that you may live. Then the LORD God Almighty will be with you, just as you say he is." - Amo 5:14 So I knew God had chosen that verse for him. So I sent him the verse of scripture and an encouragement to seek Jesus. Then on the 6th of March a Sunday I set about praying and fasting, and prayed for the president and all the members of his parliment, again I said LORD give me a verse for them, bless them and bring them to you, even if they have resisted you, just bless them with salvation. I opened the bible and again, and my finger rested on "Seek good, not evil, that you may live. Then the LORD God Almighty will be with you, just as you say he is." - Amo 5:14 I have to admit I am not sure what God's plans are for them, but I know they are good because God loves them. I feel these verses sum up the attitude it is wise to have, "The highway of the upright avoids evil; he who guards his way guards his life. Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. Better to be lowly in spirit and among the oppressed than to share plunder with the proud. Whoever gives heed to instruction prospers, and blessed is he who trusts in the LORD". Pro 16:17-20.

I have a client at work (a non Christian) who was wanting to build a web site from which to give 20% to charity. There was only one problem in my eyes he was using his site to support his local watering holes, i.e. pubs and clubs. So I went to God in prayer. I decided to open the bible at random to get a direct word of the LORD for him, to know whether I should continue to support his project, because I felt that the drinking side of things might negatively impact some people. I opened the bible and put my finger on a verse on the page it was Act 20:35 - In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: "It is more blessed to give than to receive.'". So Jesus gave me it was “It is more blessed to give than to receive”. So from that I knew God was really pleased with his heart attitude, and I believe will bless him, regardless of the faults in terms of drinking. I am still undecided however as to whether God really would have liked me to support the drinking side of it. I know obviously he does not want us to drink. But I guess that is enough rambling from now. Hopefully you get the point God loves him.

This is a bit of a personal story. I once fell in love with a person (when I was first a Christian) and they rejected me big time, which always seemed to happen to me, I got angry with God and blamed Him and told him I no longer wanted to be a Christian, and committed a sin I used to do before I was a Christian. From that time on I was constantly haunted, an still am some times, thinking that I had been rejected by God because of it. For years I went through hell, believing fully I was destined for eternal fire. I was filled with dread, and anger. But over time I started to go back to church, and every where I went pastors, people in prayer lines, and people having lunch would say “I feel this verse is for you” and give me the verse I am about to write, or they would just say it, it was “I know the thought I think toward you says the LORD for good and not evil, to give you a future and a hope”, so I began to get a feeling of hope. So some times latter when my faith had increased some what I would open the bible at random asking God for answers and if I had doubt I would ask, was he still there for me. When this happened my bible kept opening to Eze 18:31-32 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, O house of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live! I kept focusing on the parts, “Why will you die” – it was like God was saying, there is no need to die, I am forgiving, and the part “I take no pleasure in the death of anyone”. It kept happening so often that I began to wonder if these was a crease in the page of my bible, that kept it opening to that page. I guess in my heart I still believed it was God. Then one day I was playing with my nephew in his house, he looked up at me and a thought went through my mind, one of those haunting thoughts, it said “See you are really an evil man, as a young person, he sees right through your deceit”, i.e. the accusation was that I was pretending to be a Christian. On the desk in one of the bedrooms was an old 100 year old bible, I thought I will open it to see what God thinks, and guess what passage it opened to Ezekiel 18. As follows Eze 18:31-32 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, O house of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!
 
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To say that the BOM is valid is to say that Jesus didn't comp,complete what he came to complete over 2000 years ago. What did Jesus say on the cross? "it is finished". He accomplished what he needed to. Google "Joseph Smith failed prophecies"... Facts are facts.
 
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Heh. Mormonism ^_^


The Book of Mormon, although it makes for great science fiction, doesn't have a lick of truth to it at all. Consider the fact that its author, Joseph Smith, was both a self-proclaimed treasure hunter and a forger with an extremely high sex drive and that shall erase all doubt in this matter.
 
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To say that the BOM is valid is to say that Jesus didn't comp,complete what he came to complete over 2000 years ago. What did Jesus say on the cross? "it is finished". He accomplished what he needed to. Google "Joseph Smith failed prophecies"... Facts are facts.

Exactly!!
 
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