• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
  • We hope the site problems here are now solved, however, if you still have any issues, please start a ticket in Contact Us

Christianity & Evolution Are Compatible...A Reflection

JustMeSee

Contributor
Feb 9, 2008
7,703
297
In my living room.
✟38,939.00
Country
United States
Faith
Other Religion
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Others
No, God will not terminate you instantly just because you committed a sin. God has mercy, he hopes that all will repent and turn back to him. Those that do not repent are served with justice.
What about all of the new born babies who died in The Flood?
 
Upvote 0

Gracchus

Senior Veteran
Dec 21, 2002
7,199
821
California
Visit site
✟38,182.00
Faith
Pantheist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
What about all of the new born babies who died in The Flood?
"Caedite eos! Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius" – "Kill them [all]! Surely the Lord discerns which [ones] are his". --- Papal legate Arnaud-Amaury, as quoted by the Cistercian writer Caesar of Heisterbach 1209 CE

The logic is impeccable, given the premises.

:wave:
 
Upvote 0

JustMeSee

Contributor
Feb 9, 2008
7,703
297
In my living room.
✟38,939.00
Country
United States
Faith
Other Religion
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Others
This is a long thread. Much of which is round about and off topic. I asked my question midstream because I was actively reading and didn't want to forget to ask it.

... I realize it was already answered :(
 
Upvote 0

SkyWriting

The Librarian
Site Supporter
Jan 10, 2010
37,281
8,501
Milwaukee
✟411,038.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
[qs]....given the fact that the proposition, "God created the universe", is a completely unprovable proposition within the realm of science.....[/qs]

You neglected to mention that ANY theory is completely unprovable. The question is, as always, what best fits the facts that we DO have.
 
Upvote 0

minusthebear

Newbie
May 20, 2010
23
0
✟22,633.00
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Single
It never actually states that nothing died before the fall. Adam and Eve were immortal only because they ate from the Tree of Life. If nothing else ate from it, they would die.

Adam ate from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, not the tree of life. God hid the tree of life so that they would not live forever.

Genesis 3:22-24

"Then the LORD God said, 'Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—' therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life." (ESV)
 
Upvote 0

Hespera

Junior Member
Dec 16, 2008
7,237
201
usa
✟8,860.00
Faith
Buddhist
Marital Status
Private
[qs]....given the fact that the proposition, "God created the universe", is a completely unprovable proposition within the realm of science.....[/qs]

You neglected to mention that ANY theory is completely unprovable. The question is, as always, what best fits the facts that we DO have.


It does seem as everyone but the creationists knows that one does not prove a theory. over and over..."but evolution is Just a Theory!"
or, "you cant prove evolution." or the endless permutations.

Good that you got it; no need really for you to try to tell people on the science side about it tho.

And yes, the q or problem is to find a theory that best fits the facts,

That is why of the worlds literate population, only a Christian cult finds the facts point to a miraculous god; but of course they do that by reasoning backwards, ala red queen "first the verdict, then the trial".

Even that is not enough; it is necessary also to ignore or distort, and misrepresent the facts and data, ad hom all the scientists (deluded minions of the devil, naturalistic materialist, atheistic assumptions etc) and of course, there is always lies and fraud to fall back on. (see Paluxy man tracks, among others)

But really, it all sums in one simple concept, that the theocreos seem to avoid dealing with, which is.... there is no data that supports creationism.
There is no relevant data that does not support the ToE.

IF someone has a data point for creationism they really should bring it out.
 
Upvote 0

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,856,435
52,724
Guam
✟5,182,747.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Incidentally, while we're on this subject, grab a copy of Missions & Psychoheresy, by Martin and Deidre Bobgan.


The Bobgans expose the mental health professional's false facade of expertise for screening missionary candidates and caring for missionaries. they also explode myths that surround the psychological testing used on these hapless men and women.
 
Upvote 0