Christianity & Evolution Are Compatible...A Reflection

[Amoeba]

So he hates religion just for something to hate?

Or is he taught to hate it?

I hate religion because religion has throughout history been an agent of social manipulation, conflict, and persecution. Theistic religion in particularly has proved to be profoundly violent through the centuries. From religious wars between people IN THE SAME RELIGION, to religious wars against other theistic religions, to persecution of those not adhering to the dominant religion, to the indictment of early scientists for simply publishing scientific facts...inquisitions, crusades, witch hunts, suicide bombings, wars, occupations....ALL IN THE NAME OF GOD... I'm sure you're proud of all that. God surely isn't.

I don't let any religion indoctrinate me as you have allowed yourself to be. Nature is my primary source of truth. Nature leads me to the creator. Not some religion. Nature leads any rational seeker of knowledge to the conclusion that creationism is a fairy tale, and nothing more.

 

[gaara4158]

Because we're not ignorant of his devices.

You are, however, ignorant of completely normal occurrences. How utterly backwards!

Take a step back and think about what you're insinuating here. You're creating a box that completely insulates the Bible from any criticism at all. If something contradicts the Bible, it's wrong and a work of the Devil. If it's in accordance with the Bible, the Bible was right all along and knew it before science did.

I could protect any list of claims with that logic.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nature is my primary source of truth. Nature leads me to the creator. Not some religion.

Nature leads you to the grave --- period.

She demands your respect, then kills you --- sometimes very slowly and painfully.

If you're lucky --- or, should I say --- positively affected by coincidence --- you'll die in your sleep.

 

[AV1611VET]

I could protect any list of claims with that logic.

No, you can't.

Sooner or later, you'll make a mistake, and someone will [hopefully] be there to correct you.

I remember correcting someone just recently (can't remember who it was, though), who said we will believe anything.

If you look at Basic Doctrine --- it is a very rigid and narrow set of beliefs that excludes, protects, and exposes false prophets, the Truth, and cultism, respectively.

 

[gaara4158]

Nature leads you to the grave --- period.

She demands your respect, then kills you --- sometimes very slowly and painfully.

If you're lucky --- or, should I say --- positively affected by coincidence --- you'll die in your sleep.

Everything leads to the grave. There's nothing that's going to keep you from dying... at least, not yet. They're making some pretty exciting progress on that in the science labs.

 

[AV1611VET]

There's nothing that's going to keep you from dying... at least, not yet.

Oh, I think the Rapture could throw a simian wrench into Mother Nature's plans --- don't you?

 

[gaara4158]

No, you can't.

Sooner or later, you'll make a mistake, and someone will [hopefully] be there to correct you.

I remember correcting someone just recently (can't remember who it was, though), who said we will believe anything.

If you look at Basic Doctrine --- it is a very rigid and narrow set of beliefs that excludes, protects, and exposes false prophets, the Truth, and cultism, respectively.

Watch me:

The below statements are true:
1. This is all a dream. You're really a toadlike creature from planet Zorg that sleeps for decades at a time. You've been asleep all your "life."
2. Evil Zorglings want to keep you asleep forever, and there's a way to do that. If you dream your death without believing in Zorg, you will never wake up.
3. Logic, reason, and everything else making you disbelieve the above is simply the evil Zorglings injecting such blasphemies into your brain.

There. Now I can claim that everything to the contrary is evil, and everything in accordance is truth.

 

[gaara4158]

Oh, I think the Rapture could throw a simian wrench into Mother Nature's plans --- don't you?

So could the Philosopher's Stone.

 

[Hespera]

No, you can't.

Sooner or later, you'll make a mistake, and someone will [hopefully] be there to correct you.

I remember correcting someone just recently (can't remember who it was, though), who said we will believe anything.

If you look at Basic Doctrine --- it is a very rigid and narrow set of beliefs that excludes, protects, and exposes false prophets, the Truth, and cultism, respectively.

I dont think they meant you will believe "anything" in the sense you are taking it.

It appears to mean that there is nothing so outlandish that you would not believe it.

 

[AV1611VET]

I dont think they meant you will believe "anything" in the sense you are taking it.

It appears to mean that there is nothing so outlandish that you would not believe it.

As they say: Truth is stranger than fiction.

 

[gaara4158]

As they say: Truth is stranger than fiction.

Indeed! Which is why I'm puzzled as to why you settle for fiction...

 

[Nathan Poe]

As they say: Truth is stranger than fiction.

That's no excuse for accepting every strange thing as truth.

 

[marktheblake]

however, since it has been brought up, and you have been asked not to use the word, if you continue to i personally, as well as I believe others will, take it as deliberately offensive. so you choose.

But when you use the word yourself, how am I supposed to understand it? My guess is that the word is used so commonly, that it's just a harmless word.

you are not an evolutionist so your opinion counts for nothing on evolution then?

I am fine with that. Except when someone tells me that Evolution and Christianity is compatible, then I am allowed to have an opinion.

and for that matter, this [wash my mouth]
imo about how evolution is a religion and an ideology is such a moldy canard, you do yourself a disservice saying such things.

No idea where this comment is coming from, but if i did say such a thing, then I am being deliberately offensive, not hiding behind semantics. Cos it is a waste of time being a smart alec if nobody notices

 

[Nathan Poe]

I am fine with that. Except when someone tells me that Evolution and Christianity is compatible, then I am allowed to have an opinion.

Wouldn't an informed opinion be more useful, especially to yourself?

 

[marktheblake]

Ones definition of an informed opinion is an opinion that agrees with ones own opinion.

 

[gaara4158]

Ones definition of an informed opinion is an opinion that agrees with ones own opinion.

Your opinion isn't uninformed because you disagree with us --- you disagree with us because you're uninformed. The technical definition of "informed opinion" (which is what we hold ourselves to) is an opinion based on knowledge of all the available facts, actually. For example, AV's opinion on evolution isn't an informed opinion. It's not because he disagrees with us, it's because he knows next to nothing about evolution. We're not as treacherous as you seem to think.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Ones definition of an informed opinion is an opinion that agrees with ones own opinion.

Your definition, perhaps, but not mine.

 

[marktheblake]

Your opinion isn't uninformed because you disagree with us --- you disagree with us because you're uninformed.

Your definition, perhaps, but not mine.

naturally you both are entitled to your subjective opinions.

 

[Nathan Poe]

naturally you both are entitled to your subjective opinions.

As are you -- uninformed as it may be.

 

[Hespera]

Ones definition of an informed opinion is an opinion that agrees with ones own opinion.

You are going to have to speak for yourself on that!
I work hard at making sure I am open to opinions.