Christianity & Evolution Are Compatible...A Reflection

[Amoeba]

[ev-uh-loo-shuh-nist or, especially Brit., ee-vuh-] –noun 1. a person who believes in or supports a theory of evolution, esp. in biology.

Thats what it implies. Dictionary.com doesn't have the meaning that you think it implies.

If you weren't already aware, scientists aren't calling each other evolutionists. It's only the creationists who use the term as a rhetorical device as if it is an ideological point of view like theirs. It's another sad attempt to equate evolution with creationism.

Why are you even talking in a thread about the compatibility of Christianity and Evolution.

Why am I even talking? Why are you talking?

I would have thought that about any subject at University, but you make a good point, the indoctrinated can be saved if they go to university, and study Life sciences.

See, you had me thinking you were a creationist. Are you playing devil's advocate?

 

[godsmission]

ev⋅o⋅lu⋅tion⋅ist [ev-uh-loo-shuh-nist or, especially Brit., ee-vuh-] –noun 1. a person who believes in or supports a theory of evolution, esp. in biology.

Until I found this forum I had never heard the term 'evolutionist' used, as the ToE is so obvious (now that we have been shown) I thought every one knew it was the only way life could reach the stage it's at, I had never met anyone who could put forward a better theory or find fault with the ToE, and I still haven't.

To even consider creationism as an alternative to evolution requires a huge amount of indoctrination, ignorance and denial, only then does it become believable.

Creationism is an American phenomenon as are most new and unusual beliefs, why do some American always seem ready to adopt such unusual belief systems?

 

[AV1611VET]

To even consider creationism as an alternative to evolution requires a huge amount of indoctrination, ignorance and denial, only then does it become believable.

I'm good with a mirror, GM --- watch this:

We're ignorant? Answer this please:

• Where did that pixel come from that eventually became this universe?

We're in denial? Answer this please:

• Do you believe in creatio ex materia? If so, you're a creationist as well.

 

[uke2se]

We're ignorant? Answer this please:

• Where did that pixel come from that eventually became this universe?

Miscarachterization of the Big Bang theory.

This area of research is on the forefront of cosmology and physics research. We don't know how the Big Bang happened, what caused it, or if it even needed a cause. This doesn't make science generally ignorant. It makes us not being able to answer these particular questions. Yet.

Creationists are generally ignorant of most things. The difference is huge.

We're in denial? Answer this please:

• Do you believe in creatio ex materia? If so, you're a creationist as well.

You have been told this before, AV. You don't get to redefine words. The word "Creationist" has a very specific meaning.

 

[AV1611VET]

Miscarachterization of the Big Bang theory.

This area of research is on the forefront of cosmology and physics research. We don't know how the Big Bang happened, what caused it, or if it even needed a cause. This doesn't make science generally ignorant. It makes us not being able to answer these particular questions. Yet.

Creationists are generally ignorant of most things. The difference is huge.

I rest my case.

The word "Creationist" has a very specific meaning.

I didn't say "creationist," did I?

I said, "creatio."

 

[uke2se]

I rest my case.

What case?

I didn't say "creationist," did I?

I said, "creatio."

You didn't say this: "Do you believe in creatio ex materia? If so, you're a creationist as well."?

Call me crazy, but it sure looks like you did say "creationist".

 

[AV1611VET]

We're in denial? Answer this please:

• Do you believe in creatio ex materia? If so, you're a creationist as well.

You have been told this before, AV. You don't get to redefine words. The word "Creationist" has a very specific meaning.

I didn't say "creationist," did I?

I said, "creatio."

You didn't say this: "Do you believe in creatio ex materia? If so, you're a creationist as well."?

Call me crazy, but it sure looks like you did say "creationist".

Do Christians believe God created the earth?

• If so, they're creationists

Do Muslims believe Allah created the earth?

• If so, they're creationists.

Do Jews believe God created the earth?

• If so, they're creationists.

Do Hindus believe Brahma created the earth?

• If so, they're creationists.

Do scientists believe Mother Nature created the earth?

• If so, they're creationists.

Are Theistic Evolutionists creationists as well, Uke?

They believe just like you do.

The only difference is that they believe God did it, and you believe Mother Nature did it.

 

[uke2se]

Do Christians believe God created the earth?

• If so, they're creationists

Do Muslims believe Allah created the earth?

• If so, they're creationists.

Do Jews believe God created the earth?

• If so, they're creationists.

Do Hindus believe Brahma created the earth?

• If so, they're creationists.

Do scientists believe Mother Nature created the earth?

• If so, they're creationists.

Are Theistic Evolutionists creationists as well, Uke?

They believe just like you do.

The only difference is that they believe God did it, and you believe Mother Nature did it.

There you go, redefining words again. "Creationist" means something specific.

cre⋅a⋅tion⋅ism

[kree-ey-shuh-niz-uh

m] –noun
1. the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter

) the doctrine that the true story of the creation of the universe is as it is recounted in the Bible, esp. in the first chapter of Genesis.
3. the doctrine that God immediately creates out of nothing a new human soul for each individual born.

Substitute -ism for -ist for a person following creationism.

 

[AV1611VET]

cre⋅a⋅tion⋅ism

1. the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed. Brahma is not omnipotent.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter

) the doctrine that the true story of the creation of the universe is as it is recounted in the Bible, esp. in the first chapter of Genesis. The Vedas are not the Bible, nor is the Koran.
3. the doctrine that God immediately creates out of nothing a new human soul for each individual born. That is creatio ex nihilo, not creatio ex materia.

Words in red are mine.

 

[uke2se]

Words in red are mine.

In an argument such as this, you are supposed to attempt to refute my point, not strenghten it like you just did.

 

[theFijian]

There you go, redefining words again. "Creationist" means something specific.

cre⋅a⋅tion⋅ism

[kree-ey-shuh-niz-uh

m] –noun
1. the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter

) the doctrine that the true story of the creation of the universe is as it is recounted in the Bible, esp. in the first chapter of Genesis.
3. the doctrine that God immediately creates out of nothing a new human soul for each individual born.

Substitute -ism for -ist for a person following creationism.

AV can be quite the postmodernist with his use of language when it suits him. It would be pretty easy to label AV an atheist using his kind of wordplay.

 

[Hespera]

In an argument such as this, you are supposed to attempt to refute my point, not strenghten it like you just did.

If our hero got into an actual debate, or a philosophy class, would he even know what happened to him?

 

[marktheblake]

Don't get too hung up on it though, although it is worth noting that people tend not to ideologise theories

I dont get hung up on it. I ain't the one crying over being called a name that has a straightforward meaning in the dictionary with no strings attached.

Your alternatives are silly.

It's only the creationists who use the term as a rhetorical device as if it is an ideological point of view like theirs.

Well I already said that I use the term 'evolutionist' to make a distinction between someone who supports evolution, and someone who doesn't.

If you cant accept that, you are simply going to have to cope as best you can.

 

[Amoeba]

Well I already said that I use the term 'evolutionist' to make a distinction between someone who supports evolution, and someone who doesn't.

Ya, I think I know how to read.

If you cant accept that, you are simply going to have to cope as best you can.

I think I explained why it's a stupid word. If YOU can't accept that, then you should cope as best you can...

 

[Amoeba]

I'm good with a mirror, GM --- watch this:

We're ignorant? Answer this please:

• Where did that pixel come from that eventually became this universe?

We're in denial? Answer this please:

• Do you believe in creatio ex materia? If so, you're a creationist as well.

The universe is eternal according the law of conservation of mass and energy.

 

[Cabal]

I dont get hung up on it. I ain't the one crying over being called a name that has a straightforward meaning in the dictionary with no strings attached.

Your alternatives are silly.

Who's crying?

You asked a question, I thought I'd help out.

I'll know not to bother next time.

Well I already said that I use the term 'evolutionist' to make a distinction between someone who supports evolution, and someone who doesn't.

If you cant accept that, you are simply going to have to cope as best you can.

Fine with me - just don't think of going down the evolution-as-ideology route with it.

 

[Hespera]

Who's crying?

You asked a question, I thought I'd help out.

I'll know not to bother next time.



Fine with me - just don't think of going down the evolution-as-ideology route with it.

boys!!! stop it!!!!!!

 

[AV1611VET]

Fine with me - just don't think of going down the evolution-as-ideology route with it.

The Bible refers to evolution (at least in its infant stage) as a "philosophy":

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

--- and an "invention":

Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

 

[Hespera]

The Bible refers to evolution (at least in its infant stage) as a "philosophy":--- and an "invention":

No it doesnt.

But if it did, that still wouldnt mean anything.

Cant make a bat into a bird just by calling it that----can you?

 

[AV1611VET]

No it doesnt.

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