Christian Wicca

Cerridwen · Jul 11, 2004

Evidently some people are still under the (mistaken) impression that Wicca=witchcraft. Christian Wiccans have Jesus as part of their pantheon, & they respect him greatly. Wiccans don't conduct "ceremonies of satan", & neither do Christian Wiccans , neither do they prophecy in Jesus' name or "cast out demons".
*sigh*

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

the_cheat · Jul 11, 2004

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there different branches of Wicca? Is it really inconceivable that someone could believe in one God with Christ as the savior (basic Christian tenets) and but look to Wicca for a spiritual worldview beyond that, instead of, say, the non-Gospel books of the Bible?

Crispie · Jul 11, 2004

Cerridwen said:
Evidently some people are still under the (mistaken) impression that Wicca=witchcraft. Christian Wiccans have Jesus as part of their pantheon, & they respect him greatly. Wiccans don't conduct "ceremonies of satan", & neither do Christian Wiccans , neither do they prophecy in Jesus' name or "cast out demons".
*sigh*

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

Islam respects Jesus greatly and treats him as a prophet, as do some wiccans. Does that make them Christian Islams? Same respect goes for "Christian Wiccans". It just makes no sense to be both.

Cerridwen · Jul 11, 2004

It doesn't matter if it makes sense to you or not. That doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to believe what they want to believe. many paths to the One...& they don't have to agree with you to be right.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

Faith In God · Jul 11, 2004

Cerridwen said:
It doesn't matter if it makes sense to you or not. That doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to believe what they want to believe. many paths to the One...& they don't have to agree with you to be right.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

everyone is allowed to believe whatever they choose. doesn't mean it's true.

Crispie · Jul 11, 2004

Cerridwen said:
It doesn't matter if it makes sense to you or not. That doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to believe what they want to believe. many paths to the One...& they don't have to agree with you to be right.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

It doesnt matter if it makes sense? Ok then according to you a person can be atheist and theist. Now do you understand?

ByGrace · Jul 11, 2004

Cerridwen said:
Evidently some people are still under the (mistaken) impression that Wicca=witchcraft. Christian Wiccans have Jesus as part of their pantheon, & they respect him greatly. Wiccans don't conduct "ceremonies of satan", & neither do Christian Wiccans , neither do they prophecy in Jesus' name or "cast out demons".
*sigh*

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

Jesus is not to be merely "respected" but Loved and Worshiped. Such simple respect is given to my neighbor, not the God of the universe and the author of all that is. He is to be given the reverance He is due and is not to be expected to share His glory with any evil ritual and then to have His holy Name be drug through the mire that is associated with it. There is no other faith but Jesus and Jesus alone. If you add to it, you do so at the peril of your own soul. Call me what you will but I will never vacillate on the perfect worship that Jesus is owed and will never hesitate to call such an idea as "wiccan christianity" a vile, evil, defamation of what is holy and good. May the very idea be cast into the lake of fire with its father the devil.

ByGrace · Jul 11, 2004

the_cheat said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there different branches of Wicca? Is it really inconceivable that someone could believe in one God with Christ as the savior (basic Christian tenets) and but look to Wicca for a spiritual worldview beyond that, instead of, say, the non-Gospel books of the Bible?

They can do whatever they want but they have no right to then call themselves Christians. God will not share his glory with anyone and that would include the demons that invented such a sickening heresy.

ByGrace · Jul 11, 2004

Cerridwen said:
It doesn't matter if it makes sense to you or not. That doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to believe what they want to believe. many paths to the One...& they don't have to agree with you to be right.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

No, they only have to agree with Him to be saved.

ravenwolf · Jul 11, 2004

"Quote: Originally Posted by: ravenwolf is that the only verse you know?????
I say, if someone wants to be a christian wiccan they have every right to...its called freedom of religion!
Blessings
~ravenwolf"
"Reply: ByGrace
You are absolutely right. people have the right to follow whatever path they want to hell. Call it what you want, it is still the same old ticket to destruction."

Yeah, and you totally twisted what i said to make a prejudiced remark. I was meaning people have the right to follow any path to the DIVINE a.k.a God as they will, and just because you dont agree with anyone elses point of view, how does that give you the authority to condemn others who dont think like you to hell? Pretty narrow-minded if you ask me.
Blessings
~ravenwolf

ravenwolf · Jul 11, 2004

And to all the above posts, these are your opinions and beliefs and not everyone believes the same. Your beliefs are not the only valid ones, nor is it the only view on truth...no one has a monopoly on truth, it is in the eye of the beholder, how one personally experiences the Divine and truth as they see it, regardless of their religion.
Blessings
~ravenwolf

ByGrace · Jul 11, 2004

ravenwolf said:
Yeah, and you totally twisted what i said to make a prejudiced remark. I was meaning people have the right to follow any path to the DIVINE a.k.a God as they will, and just because you dont agree with anyone elses point of view, how does that give you the authority to condemn others who dont think like you to hell? Pretty narrow-minded if you ask me.
Blessings
~ravenwolf

I dont condemn anyone. They do it themselves by denying the only One who can help them. Yes, the old unpolitically correct narrow mindedness problem. I guess Jesus was "narrow minded" also, eh? Didnt He say that He was the ONLY way to God? Did not He say that without Him, no one would see the Kingdom of God? I am very dogmatic in my theology. My convictions of Jesus Christ are one of the things I am grateful He gave me.

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father except by Me."

Thank You Jesus that you made the way so simple that we would not have to worry about sifting through all of these "religions" to find You.

the_cheat · Jul 11, 2004

Heh. I'm sorry, but this thread is really reminding me of this one Dar Williams song, The Christians and the Pagans.

alexeeah · Jul 11, 2004

ravenwolf said:
is that the only verse you know?????
I say, if someone wants to be a christian wiccan they have every right to...its called freedom of religion!
Blessings
~ravenwolf

Any one can call themself anything they want to that doesn't make them that. I could say "I am the president" that doesn't make me a president. You cannot possibly be Christian and Wiccan at the same time.
Mt 6:24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

ravenwolf · Jul 11, 2004

I dont condemn anyone. They do it themselves by denying the only One who can help them.

I do not condemn myself. when you say, "you are not a christian therefore your going to hell" that is condemnation.

I could say "I am the president" that doesn't make me a president. You cannot possibly be Christian and Wiccan at the same time.

Maybe you should say "shouldn't" cuz if they couldn't (meaning its not possible) then there wouldn't be any cuz it wouldn't be possible. Just my thoughts.
Blessings
~ravenwolf

Crispie · Jul 11, 2004

ravenwolf said:
I do not condemn myself. when you say, "you are not a christian therefore your going to hell" that is condemnation.
Maybe you should say "shouldn't" cuz if they couldn't (meaning its not possible) then there wouldn't be any cuz it wouldn't be possible. Just my thoughts.
Blessings
~ravenwolf

When he says that he is not condemming anyone, he is just stating the fact that if you are not saved when you die you dont go to heaven, since no one knows if someone is saved, or will be saved before death, we do not condemn anyone(at least we shouldnt, some people can be foolish and do condem people unfortunatly), just say that ones who die without salvation are condemmed. And it is not possible to be Christian Wiccan, its just that people claim to be it. Anyone can claim to be anything. There is no such thing as a Christian Wiccan.

alexeeah · Jul 11, 2004

ravenwolf said:
Maybe you should say "shouldn't" cuz if they couldn't (meaning its not possible) then there wouldn't be any cuz it wouldn't be possible. Just my thoughts.
Blessings
~ravenwolf

It is possible for someone to say that they are wiccan-christian however it is not possible that they actually be one!!! The definition of christian is 1 a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ b (1) : [size=-1]DISCIPLE [/size]2 (2) : a member of one of the Churches of Christ separating from the Disciples of Christ in 1906 (3) : a member of the Christian denomination having part in the union of the United Church of Christ concluded in 1961
The definition of disciple is...1 : one who accepts and assists in spreading the doctrines of another: as a : one of the twelve in the inner circle of Christ's followers according to the Gospel accounts b : a convinced adherent of a school or individual

The definition of wiccan.. a religion that affirms the existence of supernatural power (as magic) and of both male and female deities who inhere in nature, and that emphasizes ritual observance of seasonal and life cycles

So if a christian professes the beliefs of Jesus or believes in Jesus either one they wouldn't emphasize ritual observances of seasonal and life cycles. If you are a christian you believe that there is no other way to heaven than Jesus, you also believe that other God's are idols and abhor them, and you believe that Jesus is the main part the foundation or the "rock" of your religion.(And I use the word religion loosley there because I don't believe in religion but rather Faith). When you are a wiccan, you believe that there are many ways to God,(first contradiction) You up hold other Gods and worship them along with (some wiccans) preforming spells and magic,(second contradiction) and when you are wiccan you believe that Jesus is a great man and He did awesome stuff but you don't respect Him for the truth that He is. I didn't say the truth He brings or brought, I said the truth that He is!!(Third contradiction) three strikes your out!

If I am wrong about wicca(which I don't believe I am considering I have several wiccan friends from England, and they helped me out on this miss-belief, ) then feel free to correct me but I know you will try either way any way.

Crispie · Jul 11, 2004

As far as I can see I fully agree with alexeeah
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ravenwolf · Jul 11, 2004

It is possible for someone to say that they are wiccan-christian however it is not possible that they actually be one!!! The definition of christian is 1 a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ b (1) : [size=-1]DISCIPLE [/size]2 (2) : a member of one of the Churches of Christ separating from the Disciples of Christ in 1906 (3) : a member of the Christian denomination having part in the union of the United Church of Christ concluded in 1961
The definition of disciple is...1 : one who accepts and assists in spreading the doctrines of another: as a : one of the twelve in the inner circle of Christ's followers according to the Gospel accounts b : a convinced adherent of a school or individual

well, first, thanks for not being self rightous and bigotrous like some other folks on here(which i will not respond to any one like that anymore) So I am responding to your post.
Actually, I know someone on another forum thats a Christion wiccan and she fits that discription so since you said your self that this is the definition of a christian then she is a christian cuz she fits all of it, but she also incorporates wiccan belief such as dual aspects of God and Goddess as well as attuning to nature and other wiccan beliefs.

So if a christian professes the beliefs of Jesus or believes in Jesus either one they wouldn't emphasize ritual observances of seasonal and life cycles

Ok, but the description of a christian you gave above says nothing that would oppose it either.

If you are a christian you believe that there is no other way to heaven than Jesus, you also believe that other God's are idols and abhor them, and you believe that Jesus is the main part the foundation or the "rock" of your religion

Wiccans dont worship idols either

When you are a wiccan, you believe that there are many ways to God

well, that is true, but then again i also know liberal christians who believe there are many ways as well
i can see why you believe what you believ as well because you are not a liberal and you adhere to traditional christian teachings, there are also wiccans on the flip side too that would agree with you, I just happen to be in the middle and I simply think it is possible and i could care less,they have a right to call themselves whatever, that is all I am saying.
Blessings
~ravenwolf

Crispie · Jul 11, 2004

When you are a wiccan, you believe that there are many ways to God

If this is true, then that conflicts with Christianity.

Christianity=One way to God
Wicca=There are many ways to God

Obviously 2 different Gods and 2 different beliefs.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
(Whole Chapter: John 14 In context: John 14:5-7)

That verse alone shows that you cant believe in Wiccan beliefs and still be a Christian.

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