Christian Viewpoint On The Gun Debate

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Guns are an efficient tool for suicide and so often chosen, but if you look at suicide rates themselves, you see that all forms of suicide are rising at the same rates...even suicidal car crashes.

The root of the problem is that life in America makes people crazy.

People talk about getting rid of guns in America like mice talking about belling the cat.

But if going through the enormous level of repression of freedom it would take to rid America of guns--and I'm not just talking about the 2nd amendment, but pretty much all of the Bill of Rights would have to be scrapped in that effort--it wouldn't have been worth it not to have even chopped at the root of the problem.

I am not in favor of ridding our guns from Americans either. But we can discover the meaning of well regulated if we try. Gun violence is a very large reason why life in America "makes people crazy"!
 
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I think the topic is super complicated. Like it or not, Americans aren't gonna give up their guns willingly, and there are more guns than people in the U.S.

I think most can agree that there are some people who should not have guns. The question is, "How do we keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people while not punishing law abiding citizens?"
 
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Far too many guns and far too many irresponsible gun owners in America. We can work on both issues in my view. Failure only occurs when you quit trying, which America has done. Your mental health theory doesn't hold much water either. The first article I linked estimated only 4% of American gun deaths were related to mental health issues. Our mental health data in America is in line with data from other wealthy nations. Only our unnecessary gun violence is out of line with other countries.
that makes no sense as if 54% of gun deaths are suicides people who get to that point have some sort of mental issues either at that time or for years before that. Now is that to say that all those people have a long-standing issue with mental health no though I do have a hard time believing that the number is just four percent, but people who are thinking perfectly clearly and are mentally sound at a particular moment generally do not attempt or complete suicide with a gun or any other means for that matter. Even if that does hold true though does not change the fact that most gun deaths are completed not with the guns most people wish to regulate more, but with the guns that already have the highest age to lawfully purchase.
 
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I think the topic is super complicated. Like it or not, Americans aren't gonna give up their guns willingly, and there are more guns than people in the U.S.

I think most can agree that there are some people who should not have guns. The question is, "How do we keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people while not punishing law abiding citizens?"
that is indeed the million dollar question and one that I think has much to do with people watching people. By this I mean, that shootings and likely suicides have been stopped by people ratting on other people either to the law or otherwise to medical assistance or with minors sometimes even parents. Sometimes you will even see more than one of the above.
 
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I am not in favor of ridding our guns from Americans either. But we can discover the meaning of well regulated if we try. Gun violence is a very large reason why life in America "makes people crazy"!
and again as it relates to violence taking suicide out of it people who do things like mass shootings do not care about laws and at this point there are more guns than people anyway. Most gun violence is likely either the result of other violent crime or often gang violence. The other common thing is people who would die anyway that is harsh and cold yes, but I am talking about situations where person A wants person or persons B deceased badly enough where they will have it done one way or another ( usually these are cases where the victim and suspect know each other/ Of total gun deaths VERY few are true blue random mass shootings usually they are either, suicide, committed in some other act of violence, committed by or on behalf of gangs or committed by people who want a particular person or persons dead badly enough that they would use just about anything to get it done.
 
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Wait. All the other articles I've read indicate that at least 50% of gun deaths are suicides. Your second article bears that out. I suspect you're reading the first article wrong.

And suicide is always a mental health issue.
thank you people who attempt or complete suicide are certainly not mentally sound or stable at that particular moment or if they are they very wrongly and get that think that people would be better off without them for some reason. Now, not all of those people have long-standing mental health issues and sometimes they may have issues that are not discovered until it too late and people get to looking back and see that there was probably a disorder there that was untreated I have heard of at least one case like that. However, no one attempts or completes suicide without some type of mental issue at some point.
 
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I am not in favor of ridding our guns from Americans either. But we can discover the meaning of well regulated if we try. Gun violence is a very large reason why life in America "makes people crazy"!
I'm going to repeat this again because you conveniently ignored it:

People talk about getting rid of guns in America like mice talking about belling the cat.

But if going through the enormous level of repression of freedom it would take to rid America of guns--and I'm not just talking about the 2nd amendment, but pretty much all of the Bill of Rights would have to be scrapped in that effort--it wouldn't have been worth it not to have even chopped at the root of the problem.
 
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I'm going to repeat this again because you conveniently ignored it:

People talk about getting rid of guns in America like mice talking about belling the cat.

But if going through the enormous level of repression of freedom it would take to rid America of guns--and I'm not just talking about the 2nd amendment, but pretty much all of the Bill of Rights would have to be scrapped in that effort--it wouldn't have been worth it not to have even chopped at the root of the problem.
The Bill of Rights isn't sanctified. It's contents are based on 18th Century liberal ideals. Some contents are rather vague.

What is a well regulated militia?
 
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Wait. All the other articles I've read indicate that at least 50% of gun deaths are suicides. Your second article bears that out. I suspect you're reading the first article wrong.

And suicide is always a mental health issue.

While I appreciate your feedback on my reading comprehension, I posted the first story because it contains my first two sentences. And I used that second link as evidence for the suicide aspect of my post.

This is the second time you have attempted to correct me. And as I enjoy reading your contributions, I don't feel like arguing over minute things. I am merely letting you know why I may not respond to your posts in the future.

Peace
 
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While I appreciate your feedback on my reading comprehension, I posted the first story because it contains my first two sentences. And I used that second link as evidence for the suicide aspect of my post.

This is the second time you have attempted to correct me. And as I enjoy reading your contributions, I don't feel like arguing over minute things. I am merely letting you know why I may not respond to your posts in the future.

Peace

There is nothing minute about one article saying 54% and your assertion that the other article says 4%. If you're going to present both articles and hang a discussion on that point, it's your responsibility to explain that difference.
 
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The Bill of Rights isn't sanctified. It's contents are based on 18th Century liberal ideals. Some contents are rather vague.

What is a well regulated militia?

Most Americans are not so willing to dump the majority of the Bill of Rights, which is what it would take to reduce gun ownership in the US to that of, say, Britain. That's still mice talking about belling the cat.
 
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There is nothing minute about one article saying 54% and your assertion that the other article says 4%. If you're going to present both articles and hang a discussion on that point, it's your responsibility to explain that difference.
Mass shootings and suicides are different victims. The 4% are mass shooters who had verifiable mental illness. Meaning 4% of mass shooters suffered mental illness. The 54% of gun deaths in America are suicides. Indicating suicides are far more likely to only take their own lives and not commit mass shootings. Perhaps it is not my reading comprehension at issue here lol.

I will post links directly relating to each sentence immediately following the sentence in the future. Or simply choose to do productive things instead of trying to communicate with people online. Peace
 
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Mass shootings and suicides are different victims. The 4% are mass shooters who had verifiable mental illness. Meaning 4% of mass shooters suffered mental illness.

No, that means 4% had been previously verified as mentally ill, which is a vastly different premise.
 
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I am ok being pro gun.......gun control has nothing to do with guns, but everything to do with control.
I would like to have all the guns our current president left in Afghanistan for our enemy's to use.
Well, realistically the Taliban are not and have never been enemies of the US.
 
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Most Americans are not so willing to dump the majority of the Bill of Rights, which is what it would take to reduce gun ownership in the US to that of, say, Britain. That's still mice talking about belling the cat.
Unfortunately, America will be plagued by mass shootings for decades until they decide to change.
Well, realistically the Taliban are not and have never been enemies of the US.
Right. The Taliban was created by the U.S..
 
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Unfortunately, America will be plagued by mass shootings for decades until they decide to change.

Right. The Taliban was created by the U.S..
so does that mean that we should give up our freedom because a small percentage of people do not know how to act?
 
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so does that mean that we should give up our freedom because a small percentage of people do not know how to act?
If it lessens the likelihood of my loved ones massacred in a supermarket by a person who doesn't know how to act then I'm all for it.
 
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Speaking from a biblical perspective this is my viewpoint on the gun debate. Christians should be for gun rights. Why? Because guns are used for hunting and the Bible justifies hunting. Even if you're a Christian pacifist you've got to admit that guns are used for hunting. So if for no other reason Christians should be for gun rights because guns are used for hunting.
So if I hunted big game with tomahawk missiles, they should also be available?

No.

Justifying hunting is one thing; the tools available to do it with is another entirely.
 
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Unfortunately, America will be plagued by mass shootings for decades until they decide to change.

Right. The Taliban was created by the U.S..
Also, the Taliban is quite content to stay in their part of the world.
 
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If it lessens the likelihood of my loved ones massacred in a supermarket by a person who doesn't know how to act then I'm all for it.
Trouble is people that do that do not care 300 million guns people that do not trust the government probably going to end in more violence than it would prevent.
 
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