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That saw cuts both ways, friend.
Your presuppositions proceed you. - lol
Just to be clear, I don't expect you to LIKE what I post. My hope is only that you would make an attempt to UNDERSTAND what I post.
We don't seem to be there yet. I haven't given up on you.
But what did our Lord JESUS Christ say about His eternal Kingdom, the Kingdom of GOD? Well. JESUS is GOD, understand? JESUS is the Word made flesh. The Word is GOD, understand? Hebrews 1:v.1-3 and 8:
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days (in these last TWO Days or last 2.000 years) spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed HEIR of ALL things, by whom also GOD made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding ALL things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
8 Unto the Son he-God the Father-saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Matthew 25:v.31 to 46
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, ... then shall he sit upon the throne of His glory:
32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye CURSED, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his messengers:
What JESUS said above will fulfill LITERALLY in this current Day, the third Day after He had been sent by the Father to preach the Gospel of GOD's kingdom, which will be established from now on, day by day, in this seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day, or seventh and last millennium, the millennium of Christ, the millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the millennium of Vengeance.
Don't you know?We are in the beginning of the FIRST century of the seventh and last millennium.
Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18:v.8 combined with 1Tim.4:v.1-2, and 2Tim.4:v.3-4 among others.
Be careful or GET READY
Truth always causes division.
Please understand that you saying "I have a favorite doctrine" does not make that truth.
The ONLY doctrine I have as a favorite is that Jesus Christ has saved me from the destiny of the Lake of Fire.
That would then be called......."False Teaching".
That is not so MAXX.
Because I agree with some of the theology does not mean I am a Calvinist.
The TULIP of Calvinism is the acronym that represents the five primary points that represent as the word TULIP>:
Total depravity,
Unconditional election,
Limited atonement,
Irresistible grace, and
Perseverance of the saints. Hence, they are called the five points of Calvinism. The five points “emerged from the Synod of Dort (1618– 19).”
Do you not agree that man is totally depraved as is told to us in the Scripture.
Do you also accept the the grace of God is irrestable when applied by God as seen in the Scriptures.
Do you also accept that as believers we have the ability to persevere through all the challenges of life?
Now we can disagree and discuss Unconditional election which is always the problem and limited atonement but does that mean everything should be rejected.....or do you.
GIVE UP Steve.
I know exactly what you are and where you are coming from.
I have tole you several times that you are wasting your time and energy to try and convince me of your false teaching of Universalism.
I have produced more papers and teaching booklets on your opinion than you will be able to read over the last 50 years.
And this again is exactly why I encouraged you to not respond to my posts.
I do not understand your question!!!
If God says that the lost will be tormented in the Lake of Fire eternally then that ends the conversation.
Luke 16:22-23.......
“The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
I'm looking for one verse, 2 or more, would be better, which states that the unrighteous dead will get a second chance after death. A bonus would be the Father, Himself, or, Jesus, Himself, stating unequivocally, that the unrighteous dead will be saved, even after death. Or words to that effect.This thread has gone on for 120+ pages, so the conversation, such as it is, is NOT ended.
Anyway, if the "lost" are "tormented in the Lake of Fire eternally," as you say, then explain to me how God ever becomes "All in all" (see I Corinthians 15:28) or how Jesus the Christ will be able to boast, "Behold, I make all things new."
The verse to which you refer, Revelation 20:15, only states that the "lost" will be cast into the LoF - it does not specify for how long, for only the devil/beast/false prophet get the forever and ever bit, and I'm not too sure about the time duration there.
Your stance makes John the Baptist out to be a liar when he said Jesus the Christ would take away the sins of the world.
BTW, I consulted an ordinary KJV for this post.
The verse to which you refer, Revelation 20:15, only states that the "lost" will be cast into the LoF - it does not specify for how long, for only the devil/beast/false prophet get the forever and ever bit, and I'm not too sure about the time duration there.
I do not understand your question!!!
If God says that the lost will be tormented in the Lake of Fire eternally then that ends the conversation.
Luke 16:22-23.......
“The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
The "Hell no! team" cannot produce even one verse which states, unequivocally, that the unrighteous dead will be saved,, no matter what, even after death.I agree but in any case to try to explain away the scripture you cite such as Paul's "All in all" and Jesus' "Behold, I make all things new" by an appeal to John's dreamlike Revelation is desperate stuff. The opposite approach should be taken where the visionary prophecy of Revelation is interpreted in the light of the rest of scripture.
Are these really the best arguments Team Hell can come up with?
You're confusing hades with the lake of fire. They're two different places.
This thread has gone on for 120+ pages, so the conversation, such as it is, is NOT ended.
Anyway, if the "lost" are "tormented in the Lake of Fire eternally," as you say, then explain to me how God ever becomes "All in all" (see I Corinthians 15:28) or how Jesus the Christ will be able to boast, "Behold, I make all things new."
The verse to which you refer, Revelation 20:15, only states that the "lost" will be cast into the LoF - it does not specify for how long, for only the devil/beast/false prophet get the forever and ever bit, and I'm not too sure about the time duration there.
Your stance makes John the Baptist out to be a liar when he said Jesus the Christ would take away the sins of the world.
BTW, I consulted an ordinary KJV for this post.
No sir I am not.
Hades/Sheol/Torments/Hell or what ever you want to call it is the location of all the lost souls of all the ages are confined. AFTER the 1000 year Rule of Christ those in Torments will be judged and placed in the Lake of Fire.
At this time, today....no souls are in the Lake of Fire.
The "Hell no! team" cannot produce even one verse which states, unequivocally, that the unrighteous dead will be saved,, no matter what, even after death.
Let us consider Paul's "all in all in" light of his other statements.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things SHALL NOT inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesian 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
That makes them two different places.
I did not say that the "lost" are tormented in the Lake of Fire.
Don't worry, knowing Steve he'll probably put you on ignore soon.
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