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It is not Biblical! It is a World view.
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MMXX said:Rubbish. I've heard John MacArthur and other preachers (usually Calvinists) say eternal conscious torment plenty of times.
Ah yes the ubiquitous "other preachers" the UR blanket term that covereth a multitude of sins.MMXX said:The EOB New Testament is a new translation of the official Greek Orthodox text called the Patriarchal Text of 1904. It is a scholarly, fully Orthodox, and easy to read version that aims at being the text of reference for personal study, devotions, and even liturgical use within among English-speaking Orthodox Christians. This translation features: - extensive footnotes to variants from other manuscripts and alternative translations
https://www.amazon.com/EOB-Orthodox-Testament-Patriarchal-extensive/dp/148191765X
It is Biblical though. You just don't agree with the interpretation of the scripture it's based on.
I'm not entirely sure if it's a correct interpretation myself. But I've seen that it has scriptural backing and seems to hold water alright.
I've pointed out other possible interpretations of some scripture you've posted. An interpretation of scripture that differs from yours, does not amount to rejecting scripture.
I'm not seeing where Jude is saying what you said.
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No sir. The Bible is the complete word of God. As such there as no prophecies to be given.
Teaching...YES.
Prophecies.NO.
Before the canon of Scripture was complete, God used prophets to maintain order and teach correct doctrine. After the canon was completed, however, prophecy began to be more of a problem than a help.
Try this on for size. Note the "under the earth" in Phil.2:10 refers to the realm of the dead. (in the afterlife) Therefore mercy in the afterlife.NO sir. There is NO mercy after death.
If so.........Post those Scriptures instead of opinions.
John 3:16 and Romans 10:8 and Acts 16:31 have nothing to do whatsoever with merccy after death so why use them Steve???
Predestined to hell?How many does not matter Steve. What matters is that they were guility.
Mark 9:49The Lake of Fire.
‘And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.’
, Revelation 20:15
Doesn't that make a god out of a book? (yes)NO. Anyone who rejects the written word of God is rejecting God.
I guess you haven't seen this yet.It is not Biblical! It is a World view.
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This is the epitome of dishonest scripture misinterpretation.Saint Steven said:Mark 9:49
Everyone will be salted with fire. *** .
This is the epitome of dishonest scripture misinterpretation.
Really???
Here it is again from the KJV 1900 ......
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that nye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Not at all. If anyone UR-ite, or other, deliberately misquotes/misrepresents scripture, as in the current instant to promote their particular belief system, I consider that dishonest. If you think I am mistaken in what I posted in post #2310, above, then address the post NOT my character.You must be very annoyed at the thought of universal restoration to accuse it's proponents of dishonesty. To go back to the OP, why is that?
Ah yes the ubiquitous "other preachers" the UR blanket term that covereth a multitude of sins.
What is your point? Have you actually read any of the "extensive footnotes" etc?
John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We beheld his glory, glory as a Father’s uniquely-begotten,[fn] son, full of grace and truth
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18 No one has seen God at any time. The uniquely-begotten[fn] Son who is in the bosom of the Father, he has explained him.
Cleenewerck, L. (Ed.). (2011). The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible: New Testament (Jn 1:18). Laurent A. Cleenewerck.
[fn]r “uniquely loved on account of [his] origin,” and “only begotten.” Also translated “one and only,” or “unique.” See Appendix C for a more complete discussion.Cleenewerck, L. (Ed.). (2011). The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible: New Testament (Jn 1:14). Laurent A. Cleenewerck.
Correct. PLEASE do not follow me. Read the Scriptures and obey God for that is the command of God not me.
Differing from the word of God is rection of God.
Amos 2:4,
"...they have despised the law of the LORD, and have not kept his commandments...
2 Chronicles 36:16 .......
" But they mocked God’s messengers, despised his words and scoffed at his prophets until the wrath of the LORD was aroused against his people and there was no remedy.
Although I have addressed this passage many times I can almost guarantee not one UR-ite can state what my objection is.
Sorry had about as much of this I can stomach for one night. Catch you on the flip flop.UR-wrong.
History before it happens is found all throughout the Scriptures. One such relevant verse is what the Lord said he will say to some people:
"Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matt. 25:41).
Jesus could not have been more clear in stating that some people will end up in eternal fire. This should be enough to refute universalism, but there are many other proofs as well:
"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life "(Matt. 25:46).
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