christian/secular

[zao77]

back in the day i listened to tons of christian music and never ever listened to secular music cause i was raised thinking that secular music was bad. since then i have learned else wise. but you know how alot of "born again christians" that don't listen to secular music cause it brings them flashbacks from when their life was surrounded by sin?well, during the years that i listened to christian music i was going through very rough times in my life. so when i listen to christian music it brings flashbacks from the bad days in my life and i don't like listening to it as a result. do you think that is weird or what.... also i can't get into worship as a result.

 

[OnceDust]

Look at how many secular songs are being made into CCM songs:

CeCe/BeBe Winans recently did Love Lifts Us Up where we belong

Mark Schulz did Kyrie

Just to name a few. I think there are many secualr songs that have a good meaning behind them. Even secular artists write songs from a Biblical perspective U2 has a song called 40 based on Psalm 40. Like anything, music has its extremes, but for the most part, I enjoy listening to many kinds of secular music.

After all, the hymns we sing in church were at one time popular bar tunes in the secular pubs. This taking popular music and adding Christain values to it is nothing new.

Blessings...

 

[Axver]

"Even secular artists write songs from a Biblical perspective U2 has a song called 40 based on Psalm 40"

It must be noted that U2 is actually a Christian band, or at least Christian secular. Many of their songs - maybe the majority - have Christian themes. Gloria, Tomorrow, With A Shout (Jerusalem), Fire, Drowning Man, Grace, and 40 are some of the more obviously Christian songs, but then there's also Until The End Of The World (Judas talking to Jesus), Beautiful Day (allusions to Job), If God Will Send His Angels (asking the question that, even if God would send a sign, would anyone pay attention?), Wake Up Dead Man (about struggles with faith and the problems with the world), Where The Streets Have No Name (I interpret the first verse to be about Heaven, and the rest of the song about Ethiopia and/or Hell), Mysterious Ways (The Holy Spirit), Pride (Allusions to Christ), et cetera.

 

[Buttermilk]

I would tend to agree with you (again ) Axver

 

[bluephi115]

the message is what is important in the songs. i know some christian artists that seem to have almost a destructive type lyrical background.. like rackets and drapes

 

[Godschild]

"Even secular artists write songs from a Biblical perspective U2 has a song called 40 based on Psalm 40"

It must be noted that U2 is actually a Christian band, or at least Christian secular. Many of their songs - maybe the majority - have Christian themes. Gloria, Tomorrow, With A Shout (Jerusalem), Fire, Drowning Man, Grace, and 40 are some of the more obviously Christian songs, but then there's also Until The End Of The World (Judas talking to Jesus), Beautiful Day (allusions to Job), If God Will Send His Angels (asking the question that, even if God would send a sign, would anyone pay attention?), Wake Up Dead Man (about struggles with faith and the problems with the world), Where The Streets Have No Name (I interpret the first verse to be about Heaven, and the rest of the song about Ethiopia and/or Hell), Mysterious Ways (The Holy Spirit), Pride (Allusions to Christ), et cetera.

I'm not saying that you are wrong or anything like that, but I have to ask: How sure are you that these are all songs about Christ/the Bible in some way???

 

[Subtotal]

"Pride (In the Name of Love)" is about Martin Luther King, Jr. No doubt about that.

And I've heard Bono say what "Mysterious Ways" was about. I can't remember what he said, but I know it wasn't about the Holy Spirit.

 

[Axver]

Yes, I know Pride is about Martin Luther King Junior, there's no doubt about that, but there's also plenty of rather obvious references to Christ as well - "one man come in the name of love ... one man come, he to justify ... one man betrayed with a kiss" - and Mysterious Ways has quite a few interpretations, and Bono's given a few of them. But listen to Popmart Mexico - "The Spirit moves, we move with it, Jah move with it, we move with it" (something like that, I'm going off memory, but it very much features Spirit and Jah). The two most popular interpretations of Mysterious Ways are that it's about the Spirit and about a woman.

God'schld, I'm very much sure of those interpretations. Some people love to doubt the Until The End Of The World interpretation, but all you need to do is watch the video I'm watching now - at the start, Bono yells out "Jesus! This is Judas!" I once found a wonderful website that listed the Bible references found in U2 songs ... here it is, at http://www.atu2.com/lyrics/biblerefs.html

U2's Christian faith can be found throughout all their music. It's always there, a constant factor, and without their faith, there wouldn't be any U2. One of the reasons I'm a fan is because I admire Bono's faith so greatly. All through the Sarajevo concert he was praying to God to help him get through the concert (his voice was absolutely stuffed, and God sure helped because it's one of the most moving concerts ever), at the start of Where The Streets Have No Name on the Elevation tour, Bono would always recite a Psalm, 116 I think it was, and so on ...

 

[Lyle]

Switchfoot goes under a secular label comapny, but they have a strong Christian message... Life house is that way also, though maybe not as strong...
I hear the band Hansen is that way, thoughI have never heard any of their stuff personally...

 

[Irocc]

I have to agree with the guys that have said that sometimes there are some secular songs that do have good messages in them.
And even when we were in kinder garten , we used to sing games songs and I don't hink that that is sin.
The thg is, you gotta really know what kind of secular music you are listening to.
I posted this kind of thg before in a different forum and somebody said that as long as the music doesn't promote fornication, drugs and all those evil thgs , it would be o.k.
Bluephi said it right, "the message is what is important in the songs"

 

[monkey_emperor]

Bluephi said it right, "the message is what is important in the songs"

actually I would like to disagree.



*ahem*

if the artist lacks musical talent but has a good message there song can be just as destructive as an individual who creates music with a destructive message but good talent.

At least that's how I see it, cause I get disheartened every time I turn to TBN, the music played on that channel is beyond bad.

If you can't play the instruments or sing worth a lick, don't bother.

That's harsh I know, but I am tired of christian bands, ccm, that are carbon copies of what's hot in the mainstream and aren't carbon copies so much as xeroxed faxes.

it's tired and fake.

I have more respect for bands like Project 86, and while many have criticized them and other bands like mxpx or sixpence none the richer for not "preaching from the stage," who are being themselves not what the ccm machine wants them to be. (btw i am not actually referring to Project 86 as a christian band, i am aware of their desire not to be labeled as such)

Forcing individuals to preach from the stage merely because they are on a christian label is ludicrous.

When I go to a show I wanna hear music.

Yes as christians we should always put god first, but i didn't read where it says to be serious 100% of the time.


o.o i know i am definitely not serious even 60 % of the time.




My view is if the music holds a nugget of truth and you can grow in your faith because of it or it just sounds really good ( which btw music can just be fun sometimes . . i am not a fan of the all music has to be uber spiritual)

 

[Axver]

Completely agree with you there, monkey_emperor.



Quality music + quality message = U2