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Interesting read.

I read his book My Descent Into Death several years ago
but I recently purchased the GoogleBooks version because I had given away the hardcover edition that I had... .and wanted to read it again......
 
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Interesting read.

What he says about the fulfillment of the prophecies of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel regarding the Era of Moshiach / Millennium are profoundly encouraging.....
 
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What he says about the fulfillment of the prophecies of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel regarding the Era of Moshiach / Millennium are profoundly encouraging.....
I think I pretty much agree with his statements. I don't base my ideas on them.
 
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From my reason of the prophets nudity in that time period was because army after army marched thru Israel. Either Egypt marching north to Assyria and later Babylon or Assyria or Babylon marching south to attach Egypt. Dan. 10 or 11 has a pretty good summery of that history in the form of a prophesy. Now when one of these armies marched thru a country they didn't stop at the local dinner and by a meal! Or the local brothel and pay a prostitute. They broke the front door down of every home and took all their food and raped the women why they were stopping by. If they wanted to raise some money, they took women and boys to sell as slaves. It wasn't a pretty sight. So to limit the damage towns welcomed the invading armies and had their doors all unlocked and welcomed the invading army as liberators. Yet these armies still weren't that nice! The shame for Israel was that they couldn't protect their women from being raped. From being marched off naked and being sold as slaves, probably even sex slaves. This is my understanding of the shame the prophets are talking about. The first calling of honorable men back they was to protect their family and they failed ever few years. Israel couldn't not stand up in any way to these big armies from the north or south.
So the shame of being nude that they prophets are talking about has no similarity to being topless at the beach. Being nude at a clothes optional party in no way compares in my mind to what shame men are feeling from having their women stolen, raped and marched off nude to the slave market.
 
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The shame for Israel was that they couldn't protect their women from being raped. From being marched off naked and being sold as slaves, probably even sex slaves. This is my understanding of the shame the prophets are talking about.
The Hebrew word for "naked" עָרוֹם arom literally means undefended. It can describe an undefended tract of land. I think that ties into what you say quite nicely.
 
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Yes. But no sin

there is sin to nudity. you cant argue a christian bein at a topless bar isnt sin

https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-bible-say-about-nudity-and-nudism

 
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if christian girl doesnt remove pictures from social media where its evident in a bikini-perpetual sin?
 
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Doesnt it hint topless is nude?
 
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All of your arguments are based on this statement.

Can you give chapter and verse, to prove this belief?
https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-bible-say-about-nudity-and-nudism

We still live in a fallen world, surrounded by lust, immorality, and perversion. The innocence of Eden is gone. Naturist philosophy ignores the results of the fall. Even in “asexual” contexts, public displays of nudity dishonor God by pretending an innocence that no longer exists.
 
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Sam, ya gotta stop believing everything you read on the internet. Do some study for yourself.

I would also suggest you visit a nude beach, if you ever have the chance (as a participant, not a spectator). You will discover that nudity is only sexual if you make it sexual.

And you will discover that God doesn't object.
It was His idea, after all.
 
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