Christian Myth Busters!

[tulc]

The myth that other religions are not only completely wrong, but actually ill-intentioned

tulc(well said!)

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

While it is within the realm of possibility to construct a logical argument showing the existence of God it is difficult to do.

I think the show would concentrate on showing that his non-existance is not a foregone conclusion.

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

If Madilyn Murry O'Hare were alive she would be surprised to learn that is a myth.

I doubt it, she was a fairly bright person and I would be surprised if she didn't understand the Constitutional issues and where the Supreme Court came down on the issue.

I don't think that is the myth you meant, perhaps the one about ACLU not being for Christian causes like being against porn for kids, but then that is not a myth is it?

Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

The ACLU is against an overly broad and ultimately ineffective law.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A24167-2003Oct14?language=printer

Reston, Va.: Does COPA define what "pornography" is? I worry that a medical Web site featuring nude photos of the human body would fall under its rules.

Ann Beeson: Yes, and the definition is quite broad - hence our concern that valuable web publishers could be prosecuted. For example, we represent sexualhealth.org, a web site that provides information to disabled persons about how they can experience sexual pleasure. Though the material includes scientific information, even that is at risk under COPA if it could be interpreted to "appeal to the prurient interest of minors." As we know, almost any nude photo could appeal to the prurient interest of many adolescents! []

if COPA were upheld, it would do nothing to stop porn sites overseas. Kids would still have easy access to those sites. That is why other methods that focus on helping the user are more effective than methods that penalize web publishers.​

 

[Martinez]

Which one?
You are far too non-specific


Anyway, on to the subject at hand-

Myth #1 Satan is the Duke of Hell and in charge of tormenting all sinners
Myth #2 Satan (as in the fallen angel, rebel against God, ultimate bad guy) exists at all[/size]

Easily fixed (see below*)

That one burns my butt
Far too many people have said that and when I ask them where they got it from, they say "The Bible"
When I respond "No you didnt, it's not in the bible" they get all sorts of torked off, as if I were telling them Genesis 1:1 didnt exist.

I LOVE that myth!
Heck, Ive seen that one promoted here on CF!

Christian MythBusters-
<roll opening credits>
Jamie- "Instead of giving you a one hour show of Discovery Channel info-shows, the Christian MythBusters would like to direct you to THIS site and THIS site. If you cant accept the empirical objective evidence as it speaks for itself, we wont waste an hour of our time explaining it to you" <roll end credits>

Trust me, they can blow up things on Christian Mythbusters
(See below*)

Christian Mythbusters-
Adam- "The rapture wasn't even a doctrine until the 1800's. That's right ladies and gentlemen, it wasnt even....ahem...discovered...until 1800+ years after the birth of the Messiah of the Christians who promote this story. Strange isnt it, how this key doctrine of so many Christians didnt even EXIST <big grin into the camera> until- get this again- 1,800 years AFTER the birth of the Christian Christ.
"For the next hour, we'll discuss how many many scriptures have been taken out of context, how many passages have been used and abused to promote this story of the so-called Rapture"

Getting there (See below*)


*Blowing Stuff up on Christian Mythbusters

<opening to a cement truck rolling out on the abandoned naval base>
Adam- "Today on Mythbusters, we demonstrated through the Tanakh how the Christian version of Satan doesnt exist and how the Isaiah and Ezekiel passages regarding Satan are nothing more than Christian eisegesis."
Jamie- <mustache quivering> "Yes, but we didnt get to blow anything up"
Adam <giggling> "We'll fix that soon enough. This cement truck, 10 pounds of C4 and our good luck will demonstrate what we've found out about these myths"
Jamie- "So we DO get to blow something up?"
Adam- <HUGE grin> "yes yes YES!"
<as the cement truck rolls into place, the C4 is planted inside the mixing tank, and the blast shield is put into place....the whole time the local fire marshal is on hand>
Adam- "OK, so the truck represents Hell, the C4 represents Satan, the blast shield is our metaphor for internal logic (it protects us from eisegesis), and the fire marshal is our metaphor for reason. Ready Jamie?!?"
Jamie- "5....4...3...2...1...Fire in the hole!!"
BOOM!!!

<after the smoke clears>
Adam- "WOW! COOL! See? No more hell , no more satan. It's all just evaporated. So Jamie, confirmed, plausible or busted?"
Jamie- <Cough, cough> "Id say this myth is BUSTED!"

Umm, Dude!


if Jamie and Adam were close enough to 10 pounds of C4 to have a blast shelter, they would be able to ask Jesus for themselves, whether or not those myths were busted!

 

[elman]

I doubt it, she was a fairly bright person and I would be surprised if she didn't understand the Constitutional issues and where the Supreme Court came down on the issue.

I have no doubt that you think she was a very reasonable person.

The ACLU is against an overly broad and ultimately ineffective law.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A24167-2003Oct14?language=printer

Reston, Va.: Does COPA define what "pornography" is? I worry that a medical Web site featuring nude photos of the human body would fall under its rules.

Ann Beeson: Yes, and the definition is quite broad - hence our concern that valuable web publishers could be prosecuted. For example, we represent sexualhealth.org, a web site that provides information to disabled persons about how they can experience sexual pleasure. Though the material includes scientific information, even that is at risk under COPA if it could be interpreted to "appeal to the prurient interest of minors." As we know, almost any nude photo could appeal to the prurient interest of many adolescents! []

if COPA were upheld, it would do nothing to stop porn sites overseas. Kids would still have easy access to those sites. That is why other methods that focus on helping the user are more effective than methods that penalize web publishers.​

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And almost always come down on the side of the pornographers. If we are going to balance the ability of people to see pornorgraphy and keeping it away from children, the ACLU is for sacrificing the children. You applaud that. I do not.

 

[tulc]

And almost always come down on the side of the pornographers. If we are going to balance the ability of people to see pornorgraphy and keeping it away from children, the ACLU is for sacrificing the children. You applaud that. I do not.

I think the ACLU is more against using kids as an excuse for limiting free speech then anti-kid. (IMHO)
tulc(just a thought)

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

I doubt it, she was a fairly bright person and I would be surprised if she didn't understand the Constitutional issues and where the Supreme Court came down on the issue.

I have no doubt that you think she was a very reasonable person.

Non-sequitur.

Don't give up your day job for the mind-reading gig.

But along those lines, how would you feel about it if your children were required to bow down and pray to Allah 3 times a day during school?

And almost always come down on the side of the pornographers.

And the Nazis and Christian Churches and ...
anybody else who is having their freedom of speech or freedom of religion limited beyond what is constitutionally allowed.

If we are going to balance the ability of people to see pornorgraphy

Pornography is a peripheral issue, the main issue is about access to information.

Both CIPA and COPA are seriously flawed and restrict legitamate information access, generally doing so silently so that adults looking for information won't even know they have been blocked.

At least CIPA allows for the blocking to be removed on request.

 

[elman]

Non-sequitur.

Don't give up your day job for the mind-reading gig.

But along those lines, how would you feel about it if your children were required to bow down and pray to Allah 3 times a day during school?

While I would not have my child there if I had an alternative, the question would have been more on point if you has ask how I felt about the teacher praying to Allah 3 times a day during school and that would be fine with me.

And the Nazis and Christian Churches and ...
anybody else who is having their freedom of speech or freedom of religion limited beyond what is constitutionally allowed.

Who they judge to be having their freedom of speech or freedom of religion limited beyond what is constitionall allowed and their judgment is not un biased and is ususally prediticable to be against Christianity.

Pornography is a peripheral issue, the main issue is about access to information.

No the isssue was providing prornography in our librarys to children on at least one of the cases.

Both CIPA and COPA are seriously flawed and restrict legitamate information access, generally doing so silently so that adults looking for information won't even know they have been blocked.

At least CIPA allows for the blocking to be removed on request.

Again in the contest between total freedom to children to view porn and the restricting of legitamate information in our librarys, I vote protect the kids.

 

[corvus_corax]

Umm, Dude!


if Jamie and Adam were close enough to 10 pounds of C4 to have a blast shelter, they would be able to ask Jesus for themselves, whether or not those myths were busted!

 

[mark53]

The myth that one's theology or understanding of God is the Only Correct one! (except mine, that is!)

 

[CaDan]

Let's set them all on fire and throw them off a building.

Then blow them up.

 

[tulc]

Let's set them all on fire and throw them off a building.

Then blow them up.

I know! Let's be nice to them instead!







THEN let's blow them up!
tulc(we can be like the Spanish Inquisition, they wont expect that!)

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

While I would not have my child there if I had an alternative,

And if you didn't have the alternative?

the question would have been more on point

No it wouldn't have, the ruling Ohara sought had to do with teacher led prayer, not teacher praying.

if you has ask how I felt about the teacher praying to Allah 3 times a day during school and that would be fine with me.

I was unaware of any law or ruling against Teachers praying per se. Leading prayer clearly, making a big show of their prayer perhaps (though that is of course antithetical to Jesus's teaching), but not just praying.

Who they judge to be having their freedom of speech or freedom of religion limited beyond what is constitionall allowed and their judgment is not un biased and is ususally prediticable to be against Christianity.

No, against the forced imposition of a particular interpretation of Christianity on all other people.

No the isssue was providing prornography in our librarys to children on at least one of the cases.

Citation please.

The position of the ACLU vis a vis CIPA seems pretty clearly more oriented toward making sure adults have free access to information, though they are concerned that students will not be able to access information because of poor filtering.

Again in the contest between total freedom to children to view porn and the restricting of legitamate information in our librarys

False dichotomy.

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[Charlie V]

the one about Christians can't pray in school.

I busted that myth when I was in school.

Sitting at my desk, I said a silent prayer to God.

Amazingly -- nothing happened, and I didn't get in any trouble.

Christians: Feel free to pray silently to God during school! The rumors are false. You can do it, and nothing will happen.

Charlie

 

[Charlie V]

The myth that one's theology or understanding of God is the Only Correct one! (except mine, that is!)

I agree -- except that I don't even think mine is "the Only Correct One."

I never want to have the "correct answer." If I do, then I'll have no room left to learn and grow. The journey, the adventure of learning, and getting closer to the right answer, is the best part of the fun!

Charlie

 

[Im_A]

Intimicy with God. It's not a bad idea, but the word doesn't exist in back then's vocabulary. Only metaphores for it.

sorry for quoting you again but the same statement m.s. but i was looking at the responses and i remembered yours and it brought up a memory in my head.

i was at a coffee shop in Toledo, OH one day reading Son of a Preacherman by Jay Baker (awesome book btw.) this lady approached me. an older lady sat near me. she was rather "homy"/"bumy" looking, but she seemed nice. she saw the book i was reading and then saw my tattoos, and wanted to know about them, and she sat down with me for quite awhile. we both wanted a cigarette, so we went outside to the sitting table out there and had a cigarette together and drank our coffee/tea.

what caught me really off guard was her talking about her faith. she went talking about how much she believes in God, and how i just need to keep on believeing, and to never give up, and here this person is riding a bike, and looking like a bag lady is telling me this, it was great. but what really caught me off guard was how she mentioned she never understood praise and worship songs, because to her it seems like they are talking about rape/sexual relations. that was the first time i have ever heard of anything like that. she mentioned it several times, and was even citing examples. now i thought maybe something dramatic happened to her in her life, but i wasn't going to prod my way into her past if she wasn't comfortable talking about it. but then that idea of "intimacy" with God that you mentioned, brought that up. and how, one could actually take it in a very bad way.

the end of conversation was very cool tho. she gave me her p.o. box address, to which sadly enough i think in the process of moving as we did, i may have lost it, i still would like to find it and write her a letter, and she gave me an small pin th at is an icthus fish. it's pinned in my truck on the mirror so i never lose it.

 

[julian the apostate]

The myth that other religions are not only completely wrong, but actually ill-intentioned.

i read this wrong at first,,, (bad eyes)

i thought it said,,
"the myth that religion had good intentions"

i prefer my first reading

 

[Radio-Free Gnosis]

#1-The myth that the Bible is literal truth.

#2-The myth that Jesus, as a dying-and-rising mortal shell of the Most High God, was at all unique, when there were countless mystery schools dedicated to countless versions of the same story. (This is no sort of veiled insult to any sort of Christian. Refer to Myth #1.)

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

The myth that Jesus, as a dying-and-rising mortal shell of the Most High God, was at all unique, when there were countless mystery schools dedicated to countless versions of the same story.

Which involved the son of the Most High God (or the Most High God himself) ?

Which involved sacrifice for the salvation of all humanity?

 

[Blackguard_]

1. That Christianity is a relationship and not a religion. -When did this idea start? In 1974 by Christian rock groups?

2. That the Liturgy is ritualism- ussually said by anabaptists after extolling the rightness of their purely symbolic Lord's Supper.

3. The myth that the Real Presence is a myth. -Darn Zwingli and his dominance of modern Protestant theology...

4. That Communion is a purely symbolic act of memorial- often said by those who condems liturgal churchas as ritualistic.

5.That the Apocrypha has no place in the Bible. -It was
in all the early Protestant Bibles, and the KJV.

6. That the Anti-Christ will be a Pope or other high-ranking Catholic- held water in 1530, but today its ridiculous.

7. The pre-trib Rapture and Christian Zionism- Both are the wacky ideas of the Victorians.

8. Grape Juice communion is valid -an innovation of Victorian teetotalers often found in churches condemning tradition.

9. That teaching justifiaction by faith alone is "easy believism"- apparently its easy to have something impossible to have except by grace.