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Christian morals are the moral teachings of Jesus as presented in the Gospels. They have been further drawn out, explained, and codified by various sources including the Apostles, the church fathers, Christian tradition, and the governing bodies of various churches. Different denominations may give slightly different interpretations on specific points. On the whole, however, there is a very coherent body of Christian moral teaching that is anchored in the specific things taught by Jesus Christ.
 
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Christian morals are the moral teachings of Jesus as presented in the Gospels. They have been further drawn out, explained, and codified by various sources including the Apostles, the church fathers, Christian tradition, and the governing bodies of various churches. Different denominations may give slightly different interpretations on specific points. On the whole, however, there is a very coherent body of Christian moral teaching that is anchored in the specific things taught by Jesus Christ.

Are the Gospels the only sources of Christian morals?
 
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Are the Gospels the only sources of Christian morals?

The Gospels give us the direct words of the Lord himself, and so they are naturally the best direct witness to what he said. Leading on from them we have Acts and the letters of Paul, James, Peter etc, reflecting on those teachings, but always referring back to Christ himself.

Therefore, the ultimate source of Christian morality is always Christ and what he said. There is very good evidence to show that his words were collected both during his life and within 20 years of his death and resurrection. These collections of sayings in turn became the basis for the gospels. Therefore, of all the writing in the Bible, the words of Christ are regarded as among the most trustworthy, and they therefore form the basis for Christian morality and faith. Whatever any other apostle says has to be read through the words of Christ, and measured against them.

Some Bibles have the words of Christ printed in red; that would be a very useful way for a non Christian to determine this particular part of our Scripture.

I think you made the comment elsewhere about Christians choosing what to believe and what not to believe. This may well relate to the letters of Paul etc, which are open to interpretation and context. Paul is accepted as human, and fallible, as are all the other apostles, and there is then debate about how much God would influence his writing towards infallibility, and how much he would allow it to remain Paul's words. That debate goes on, because the Bible does not anywhere claim to be infallible; the best it says is that all Scripture is useful for teaching, and is inspired by God. (Timothy)

The words of Christ are far less disputed, because Christ himself was without sin, and his words are not open to the same possibility of fallibility. The morality which Christ himself establishes for Christians goes far beyond Jewish moral standards, and is very challenging indeed. He forbids divorce except for adultery, he says that being angry with our brother is just as much a sin as murder is, and he asks that we love our enemies and do good to those who hurt us; a lot of this must already be familliar to you.

Imo, anyone, Christian or not, who seriously considered the words of Christ himself would find that they represent a very real moral challenge. Christians accept that without God's help we are incapable of meeting this challenge, and that any ability we have to behave in a way which pleases God must first come from God. This gift of God to enable us to live in accordance with his will we call Grace, and it comes to us through the spirit of God, which is the Holy Spirit.

All Christians have the Holy Spirit living within them, which is the Spirit of Christ. Whenever we pray, it is the Holy Spirit which prompts us to do so. Ditto going to church or any other act of devotion or of love for our neighbours. We can do nothing without the Spirit of God.
 
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The Gospels give us the direct words of the Lord himself, and so they are naturally the best direct witness to what he said. Leading on from them we have Acts and the letters of Paul, James, Peter etc, reflecting on those teachings, but always referring back to Christ himself.

Therefore, the ultimate source of Christian morality is always Christ and what he said. There is very good evidence to show that his words were collected both during his life and within 20 years of his death and resurrection. These collections of sayings in turn became the basis for the gospels. Therefore, of all the writing in the Bible, the words of Christ are regarded as among the most trustworthy, and they therefore form the basis for Christian morality and faith. Whatever any other apostle says has to be read through the words of Christ, and measured against them.

Some Bibles have the words of Christ printed in red; that would be a very useful way for a non Christian to determine this particular part of our Scripture.

I think you made the comment elsewhere about Christians choosing what to believe and what not to believe. This may well relate to the letters of Paul etc, which are open to interpretation and context. Paul is accepted as human, and fallible, as are all the other apostles. The words of Christ are far less disputed, because Christ himself was without sin, and his words are not fallible. The morality which Christ himself establishes for Christians goes far beyond Jewish moral standards, and is very challenging indeed. He forbids divorce except for adultery, he says that being angry with our brother is just as much a sin as murder is, and he asks that we love our enemies and do good to those who hurt us; a lot of this must already be familliar to you.

Imo, anyone, Christian or not, who seriously considered the words of Christ himself would find that they represent a very real moral challenge. Christians accept that without God's help we are incapable of meeting this challenge, and that any ability we have to behave in a way which pleases God must first come from God. This gift of God to enable us to live in accordance with his will we call Grace, and it comes to us through the spirit of God, which is the Holy Spirit.

All Christians have the Holy Spirit living within them, which is the Spirit of Christ. Whenever we pray, it is the Holy Spirit which prompts us to do so. Ditto going to church or any other act of devotion or of love for our neighbours. We can do nothing without the Spirit of God.

Christian morals are the moral teachings of Jesus as presented in the Gospels.

Are the Gospels the only sources of Christian morals?


So is yes your answer to my question? Waiting for other Christian views before we move on to my next question.
 
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So is yes your answer to my question? Waiting for other Christian views before we move on to my next question.

All of that, and you think it amounts to; 'yes'. ^_^

It amounts to a qualified yes. Any Christian morality must be compatible with what Christ says and does, and what he says and does is in turn grounded in Judaism, and Jewish morality. After that, there are a thousand and one different places where we can get clarification of what Christian morality is, and how it applies to us. Alternatively, we can just stick with the words of Christ in the gospels, and we won't go far wrong.

Christ is the vine and we are the branches. The branches can only produce the fruit from the vine, not any other kind. Therefore, as long as we are rooted in Christ, and his Spirit is with us, then our aim will be to have morality compatible with his teaching.
 
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So is yes your answer to my question? Waiting for other Christian views before we move on to my next question.

Agree w/ what C says. Her qualified yes does indeed give space for the entire NT, but also a format for removing the doubts concerning it. And while much more complex, she also laid out the way to apply the OT as well, but for the purposes of this thread if I said it were a "source of Christian morality," that would be just too confusing. I maintain that there is value to the Christian in the OT, but it's value is not as a "source of morality." Instead, a strong Christian can get a more detailed picture of G-d Himself from the OT, and this can pertain to morality in that we can know His Will and Mind better.
 
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I'm not getting a straight answer. Are the gospels the only sources of Christian morals? Please answer with Yes or No. Jesus is not on earth so he's not a source. if you believe Jesus is the source than I'll take it as a Yes.

You are getting a straight answer. I am sorry if it is not the black and white version you want, but that does not mean it is not straight.

The Holy Spirit is on earth, and is the Spirit of Christ, so He is indeed a source of prompting towards morality for Christians. There cannot be one single source of morality for Christians; ultimately any moral awareness comes to us through the Holy Spirit, but he can use the Bible, or the television, or our friends or even a walk in the park to prompt our awareness of his teaching.

Isaiah says that righteousness is the plumbline, and Christ is the cornerstone. Therefore, using this same building metaphor, Christ is the cornerstone of our faith, and we use his righteousness as the guide by which to build in accordance with God's will.
 
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I'm going to give you a little different answer. Christian morals come from the 10 commandments- from Moses, in the Old Testament. Exodus. But also, just like every other human being on this planet, the law is also written in our hearts by God. BUT, we don't follow these commandments in order to be saved, because we can do nothing ourselves to be saved.

Christ expounded on the 10 commandments- by telling the people such things as even if you hate your brother you are a murderer, etc. Was this to 'challenge people to live like Christ'? No, absolutely not. Christ is showing that it is impossible to live up to the Law. Completely and utterly impossible. The only thing that saves us is faith in Christ as our Savior. And this faith is a gift from God.

So, then why does a Christian bother to even try to follow the commandments? Because he/she has faith. Faith causes us to want to do what God commands. However, we do it imperfectly. We really don't keep the commandments at all, as we are imperfect sinful beings. The use of the Law is to show us our sins, and to bring us to repenence, so that the Gospel will comfort and save us.
 
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You really can't get a straighter answer than what you've already gotten. If you're trying to isolate anything not contained in the Gospels as irrelevant, that simply has no basis.

Now you have spoken. where else(beside the Gospels) should a Christian look at to base his or her morals on?
 
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Are the Gospels the only sources of Christian morals?

God is the source of our morals.

For the majority of Christians over the majority of Christianity the Gospels have been an indicator of the source not the indicator of the source.
 
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You are getting a straight answer. I am sorry if it is not the black and white version you want, but that does not mean it is not straight.

The Holy Spirit is on earth, and is the Spirit of Christ, so He is indeed a source of prompting towards morality for Christians.
That is totally irrelvent and off-topic, unless this holy spirit you talk about is preaching Christian teachings.

There cannot be one single source of morality for Christians; ultimately any moral awareness comes to us through the Holy Spirit, but he can use the Bible, or the television, or our friends or even a walk in the park to prompt our awareness of his teaching.

I'm not talking about how are Christians magically guided, I'm talking about what do Christians base their morals on.

Isaiah says that righteousness is the plumbline, and Christ is the cornerstone. Therefore, using this same building metaphor, Christ is the cornerstone of our faith, and we use his righteousness as the guide by which to build in accordance with God's will.

How do you use his righteousness? What is his righteousness? I'm sorry but this doesn't make any sense.
 
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I'm going to give you a little different answer. Christian morals come from the 10 commandments- from Moses, in the Old Testament. Exodus. But also, just like every other human being on this planet, the law is also written in our hearts by God. BUT, we don't follow these commandments in order to be saved, because we can do nothing ourselves to be saved.

Christ expounded on the 10 commandments- by telling the people such things as even if you hate your brother you are a murderer, etc. Was this to 'challenge people to live like Christ'? No, absolutely not. Christ is showing that it is impossible to live up to the Law. Completely and utterly impossible. The only thing that saves us is faith in Christ as our Savior. And this faith is a gift from God.

So, then why does a Christian bother to even try to follow the commandments? Because he/she has faith. Faith causes us to want to do what God commands. However, we do it imperfectly. We really don't keep the commandments at all, as we are imperfect sinful beings. The use of the Law is to show us our sins, and to bring us to repenence, so that the Gospel will comfort and save us.

You said faith is the only thing that can save us, then you said the gospel can also save us. How is that possible?
 
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That is totally irrelvent and off-topic, unless this holy spirit you talk about is preaching Christian teachings.

This is thoroughly disrespectful, as is the rest of your post to C. Please don't abuse my Sister like that! :mad:

I'm not talking about how are Christians magically guided, I'm talking about what do Christians base their morals on.

You are sticking your fingers in your ears and going "lalala, I can't hear you."
 
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