Christian Liberties and Drinking.

[rmwilliamsll]

have learned that, in fact, it was the Unitarians who actually began the temperance movement in the 1800's.

i'd be curious as to references for this. I did a study on the temperance movement and never saw a hint of this claim.

 

[BBAS 64]

Good Day, All

I voted #2, but I will say this issue does strike a neve in my life as I deal with those who hold to #3, and it causes much grief in my life.

Peace to u,

Bill

 

[Bob Moore]

The following was posted by Cajin Huguenot a few months back. It is a letter from a Baptist minister to his friend, another Baptist minister, concerning the drinking of alcohol. It is L O N G but explains more clearly than I would be able on this subject.

Excellent. Thank you for posting this. It is as good an exposition as I have ever read.

 

[AndOne]

I voted for number two - though I rarely drink alcohol - mainly because it give me a headache. I had a Rolling Rock last night at a Christmas Party which was the first time I've had a beer in over a year. I woke up with no headache - yay! As to communion - I personally wish churches (mine included) would use real wine....

 

[strengthinweakness]

I voted for number two - though I rarely drink alcohol - mainly because it give me a headache. I had a Rolling Rock last night at a Christmas Party which was the first time I've had a beer in over a year. I woke up with no headache - yay! As to communion - I personally wish churches (mine included) would use real wine....

I echo your post, Behe's Boy. I am a Reformed Baptist, and it really bothers me that so many Baptists (at least in the SBC) take such a strong-- and not Biblically warranted-- stance that it is not allowable for Christians to drink alcohol at all. With that said though, I rarely do drink alcohol. I don't like how it usually makes me feel-- less clear in thought, less in control of my thoughts, words, and actions. Like you, it also gives me a headache at times. I also agree with you about wine for communion. My church does not take a stance on the moderate drinking of alcohol, but we also don't use wine for communion. I don't understand it, as using wine for communion is clearly prescribed in the Bible.

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

I have either a beer or two or a glass of wine almost every night.

It is a blessing from God.
Kenith

 

[Bob Moore]

Proverbs 31:6, "Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts".

Psalm 104:14-15, "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth; And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart."

But also this warning:

Proverbs 20:1, "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."

So then, use in moderation but do not be drunken. Those who preach "no alcohol" are guilty of legalism wherein men place restrictions above those of God. That is extreme presumption, and may be safely ignored.

 

[CalvinWasRight]

I voted no only because neither of the other two options fit my opinion. My wife and I have been struggling with this very question for years. The bible doesn't speak against drinking, but getting drunk. However, Paul says in Romans 14:21, "It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble." [Emphasis added by me.] Our decision? Our alcohol consumption is limited to when we are at home and we do not keep any around the house ... ever. It's not a perfect answer, but the best we could come up with for now.

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

I voted no only because neither of the other two options fit my opinion. My wife and I have been struggling with this very question for years. The bible doesn't speak against drinking, but getting drunk. However, Paul says in Romans 14:21, "It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble." [Emphasis added by me.] Our decision? Our alcohol consumption is limited to when we are at home and we do not keep any around the house ... ever. It's not a perfect answer, but the best we could come up with for now.

I have just one question. Do you eat meat outside the home?

Paul did say "It is good not to eat meat or drink wine..." There are a growing number of veggie Christians these days.

I recommend you read a letter from a preacher friend of mine. I posted it here: Alcohol and Bible -- letter

I also recommend two books: God Gave Wine and Drinking with Calvin and Luther.


In Christ,
Kenith

 

[SoliDeoGloria4708]

I have just one question. Do you eat meat outside the home?

Paul did say "It is good not to eat meat or drink wine..." There are a growing number of veggie Christians these days.

I recommend you read a letter from a preacher friend of mine. I posted it here: Alcohol and Bible -- letter

I also recommend two books: God Gave Wine and Drinking with Calvin and Luther.


In Christ,
Kenith

I am currently attending a PCA church and we use real wine for communion. Underage Christians (such as my self) still take communion. They used to offer both wine and grape juice, but after a few meetings between the elders, it was decided simply to go with the way the Bible did it. I know that I will drink on a semi-regular basis when i'm of age. Luther's wife, after all, brewed beer for him and his buddies. Diffiantly dont get drunk though.

 

[Paleoconservatarian]

I am currently attending a PCA church and we use real wine for communion. Underage Christians (such as my self) still take communion. They used to offer both wine and grape juice, but after a few meetings between the elders, it was decided simply to go with the way the Bible did it.

This is a blessing. It is difficult to find churches, even Reformed churches, that do this. (Then again, it is difficult to find Reformed churches where I am).

I know that I will drink on a semi-regular basis when i'm of age. Luther's wife, after all, brewed beer for him and his buddies. Diffiantly dont get drunk though.

My father says I will drink beer for two reasons: It's in my blood, and a Christian man should drink beer and wine. Who am I to argue with such a wise man?

 

[SoliDeoGloria4708]

I echo your post, Behe's Boy. I am a Reformed Baptist, and it really bothers me that so many Baptists (at least in the SBC) take such a strong-- and not Biblically warranted-- stance that it is not allowable for Christians to drink alcohol at all. With that said though, I rarely do drink alcohol. I don't like how it usually makes me feel-- less clear in thought, less in control of my thoughts, words, and actions. Like you, it also gives me a headache at times. I also agree with you about wine for communion. My church does not take a stance on the moderate drinking of alcohol, but we also don't use wine for communion. I don't understand it, as using wine for communion is clearly prescribed in the Bible.

Well, although I am attending a PCA churcc, I would probably consider myself a Reformed Baptist. I diffiantly understand the frustration of legalistic judgments made by the SBC. Although I am reformed now, I was raised in a SBC church. My dad is actually a retired SBC pastor. He isn't hostile towards reformed doctrine though. Thats good.

 

[bulldogs10]

Beer is good!

 

[Dolly]

Number 1 was funny! Drink as much alcohol as I liked? Not on your life...I don't want to assume I wouldn't become addicted In the New Testament we were warned not to become addicted to much wine. Addiction is not something we "choose", it takes hold of us.