Christian intolerance shows they are not Christian

[somasoma77]

Unity is love so emphasis on religious differences, race or intolerance rather than the unity of God is a strange god indeed and can be a challenge for us to overcome so we need to invoke the unity of God in all things. Jesus said, "Love thy neighbor as thyself," because it provides an effective answer to the many problems of modern life. This call for love tells us that we are united and that no other person is separate or apart in God's spiritual consciousness. Recognizing that we are all one in God's consciousness gives us full protection in His unity by integrating our individual life with the world around us and providing a basic harmony and equilibrium in our hearts and minds. This is a kind of insurance from the flood of negativity surrounding us because a relaxed mind and body is positive, priceless and an indestructible way to receive successful ideas and results.

 

[transientlife]

Oh but it so much more ego-boosting to love oneself and ones like yourself and consider all outside of that "bad" "evil" and unworthy of love!

 

[larryicr]

Sounds like new age religion to me.
Doesn't sound anything like the example Jesus left for us.

We are told in the bible that some are the children of the devil and some are the children of God...

(NASB)
Jn 8:44
You are of {your} father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own {nature,} for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Act 13:9-10
But Saul, who was also {known as} Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, fixed his gaze on him, and said, "You who are full of all deceit and fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease to make crooked the straight ways of the Lord?

1 Jn 3:9-10
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

The bible also tells us that some are NOT the sheep of Jesus...

Jn 10:26
But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.

Mat 25:32-34,41
All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
Then the King will say to those on His right, Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Then He will also say to those on His left, Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

 

[feral]

Nah, it only shows that the intolerant are human beings. Humans have a natural tendancy to resist change, to fear what they do not know and cannot understand and to react in a manner of self-preservation. It does not mean that they cannot believe, just that they have not matured to the point where they can handle letting go of the reins awhile.

 

[psychedelicist]

If we are created from god, how come we are called sons of the devil?

 

[larryicr]

If we are created from god, how come we are called sons of the devil?

First, we are all created sinful. God is repelled by sin.
This is why Jesus told Nicodemus that unless we are born again, we cannot see the kingdom of God. One must be born of the Spirit, not of the flesh, to be a child of God.

Jn 3:3 (NLT) - Jesus replied, "I assure you, unless you are born again, you can never see the Kingdom of God."

Some versese i posted earlier also tell us "why" some are called the sons of the devil.

We copy what our father does, so if we love to do evil things we are children of the devil -

Jn 8:44 (NLT) - For you are the children of your father the Devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning and has always hated the truth. There is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Act 13:10 (NLT) - You son of the Devil, full of every sort of trickery and villainy, enemy of all that is good, will you never stop perverting the true ways of the Lord?

The clearest verse about how to tell between children of devil and of God...
1 Jn 3:10 (NLT) - So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the Devil. Anyone who does not obey God's commands and does not love other Christians does not belong to God.

 

[horuhe00]

If I love you, it doesn't mean that I'm not going to have any differences with you or that I'm going to think your on the wrong path.

How many times has your mom said she loves you and an hour later smacks you for doing something stupid?

 

[rnmomof7]

There is no scripture that teaches tolerance for sin or sinners.

We are told clearly not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers .

Real love is presenting the gospel to the unsaved, it is not pretending that it is all right and it makes no difference to God

 

[Ave Maria]

Intolerance is something I have always been strongly against. I hate bigotry and stereotypes.

 

[larryicr]

Intolerance is something I have always been strongly against. I hate bigotry and stereotypes.

You sound a little intolerant.

 

[TearsOfTheDragon]

No..she sounds like she's tired of people like you.

 

[Natman]

I thought she was attempting "oxymoranical" humor. She forgot to give us a clue by concluding her post with "LOL" or

Okay. I'll join in.

I hate people that hate me for hating people.

LOL!!! LOL!!! LOL!!! LOL!!! LOL!!! LOL!!!

Son-cerely,
Nate

 

[mpshiel]

There is no scripture that teaches tolerance for sin or sinners.

We are told clearly not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers .

Real love is presenting the gospel to the unsaved, it is not pretending that it is all right and it makes no difference to God

John 3:17 - "For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

Jesus known as a "friend to sinners": Matt 11:19, Luke 7:39, Luke 19:7, John 8:11

Rom 5:8 -- "God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

Luke 6:32-35 - Jesus tells us to not act as sinners who only love other sinners but to love all.

I Cor 5:10 - Paul tells us not to judge those who are in the world, or shun them be they fornicators, covetous, extortioners, etc.

There is a difference in viewpoints between what "Real Love" might be. To some it requires intolerance of sin or sinners and preaching the gospel to save them. As I have yet to find a person without sin, I think those who feel that way must get pretty discouraged at times (or excited as they have 6 billion sinners to be intolerant of and preach to I guess).

Another viewpoint is seeing people as the future son's and daughters of God, in all thier fulfilled potential while they are yet incomplete and treat them that way. In this way, it is not the "tolerance" of sin or "pretending it is "all right"" but rather the acknowledgement of a shared humanity and shared journey where we are better building each other up.

As Matt 18:21 points out, we are not to limit ourselves in the number of times we forgive other's sins against us, as Christ has done also for us.

 

[Angryguy]

"Tolerance" is simply an idol invented by liberals to remove any firm foundation in the word of God.

Only Biblical Christianity can provide a firm foundation for any society. Anything else is just ungodly.

But of course liberals fool us into thinking that intolerance is a hatred of people and not ideas.


Tolerance has a negative effect on many aspects of the spiritual life of a believer.

Christ
It affects his relationship to Christ, who is Truth (John 14:6), and yet truth and tolerance cannot co-exist.

Scripture
It affects your study and understanding of God's Word, which is truth (John 17:17).

Love
It affects our ability to love because love rejoices with the truth (1 Corinthians 13:6).

Worship
It affects our ability to worship. Christ says, ... true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshippers. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth (John 4:23-24).

Freedom
Finally, adherence to tolerance affects our freedom. Christ said, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin (John 8:34). Not only is it right to adhere to truth, it produces freedom; If you abide in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free (John 8:31-32). After reading these verses, one might ask, Why would a believer practice or endorse such an unbiblical view which destroys truth? Romans 2:8 reveals the answer. Those who do not obey the truth, Paul says, are selfishly ambitious.

Since tolerance accepts sin and God doesn't, it is impossible for tolerance and truth to co-exist.

 

[mpshiel]

Since tolerance accepts sin and God doesn't, it is impossible for tolerance and truth to co-exist.

Perhaps we are using different definitions of tolerance.

For me the definition I apply is : "willingness to recognize and respect the beliefs or practices of others"

While you might feel it means: "a permissible difference; allowing some freedom to move within limits"

I can't really see either "accept"ing sin as the very word tolerance implies that it is regarding a belief or difference which is not reflective of our own. And realistically, Jesus accepted the sins of the entire world upon himself. But I think your point is that

Tolerance accepts sin. God doesn't accept sin. God is Truth. Thus Tolerance and Truth is incompatible.

But one of your premises is in error.

a) it does not matter whether humans accept sin or not as we are not the ones who Judge.
b) there is no causality between recognizing the belief of another (such as Paul did on Mars hill) and seperating the self from God. If that were so then both Jesus and Paul by thier actions and words would not represent God in thier frequent association and commands ("in the world but not of the world", etc)

For example, you and I see things differently. Should I be intolerant of the differences between us and thus declare that you have no truth? (who am I to make such a declaration anyway?) Or can we acknowledge that there are many different ways within the path of following God.

 

[tulc]

But of course liberals fool us into thinking that intolerance is a hatred of people and not ideas.

Yeah we liberals are a tricky lot. You have the right to believe that. And we tolerate that. Does that mean I wont say you are wrong? No. Because you are wrong. But you can believe what you want. There, how hard was that?
tulc(Welcome to CF by the way! hope you are blessed while here!)

 

[somasoma77]

If God is the strongest force then the devil has no power. Why do people preach of the devil giving him power and spreading his negative energy? Walk with the Lord and nothing will hurt you, love and don't be afraid.

 

[tulc]

Walk with the Lord and nothing will hurt you, love and don't be afraid.

No to the first part (we still get hurt even when we are saved) yes to the second part love and don't be afraid!
tulc(who's been in pain a lot since he got saved, but seeks not to be afraid )

 

[fragile one]

Walk with the Lord and nothing will hurt you

Somehow, I don't think Job would agree with you. Or Paul (who was killed for his faith). Or Peter (also killed for his faith). Or the Christians who were tortured and/or killed in various parts of the world.

 

[AngelusSax]

a) it does not matter whether humans accept sin or not as we are not the ones who Judge.

"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." John 7:24

Seems to me the command isn't "don't ever judge", but it's to judge soundly.

There's a reason Jesus said for us to remove the plank from our own eye so we could see clearly to remove the speck from our brother's.

"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand then, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgements about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgement:
'Fore who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?'*
But we have the mind of Christ." 1 Corinthians 2:14-16

*From Isaiah 40:13

Walk with the Lord and nothing will hurt you, love and don't be afraid.

If nothing ever hurts you, then Satan must think you're not important enough to keep in the game, so to speak.

Yes, things will hurt us even in our walk with the Lord. That's why we're told to bear our cross.... and not to bear our daisies.

However, I got no problem with the love and don't be afraid part.