Christian infiltration.

[12volt_man]

I got home yesterday after a hard days work. I was looking forward to sit down infron of the comp, and relax.

Sometimes i like to turn on the radio while working on the comp, so that i can hear some music.

I must say, that i wasn't expecting much from the radio, because i know that there is a lot of christian material being sent, which i have no interest in hearing.

We have 3 radio stations here.

I turned on the first one, and there was a priest speaking about homosexuality.

I turned on the second one, and that was about a mans spiritual journey.

I turned on the third and last one. This was a taped recording from a church.

Well, i then went to turn on the only TV channel we have in this country. What did i see?? Inside a church!!

All of the media i could see or listen to, only had christian material, and it's like this all day every day.

The first radio station and the TV channel, are required by law to send christian material. The other 2 radio stations are owned by christians.

When you go to puplic school for 10 years, you are required to meet for a morning sermon every day, and christianity is a required subject for 8 years.

Anyone with the slightest idea of psychology is, knows that this affects people. Religion is being forced on people.

When you think about it. Is there absolutely any reason whatsoever for christians to hear this all day?? They are already saved!

Where is the moral in this??

I have a good idea where you're coming from. We have a similar, but opposite situation here.

Turn on the TV or radio here, and it's next to impossible to find any Godly content and schoolchildren are forbidden from exercising their faith voluntarily in school. They're taught that there is no God or moral absolutes, that it's OK to have sex as children (do you realize that if any of us told children the things they're taught in sex ed class, we'd be locked up?).

Christians are routinely mocked and treated as second class citizens, in spite of all of the contributions we've made to our society and to the founding of our own country.

Heck, we can't even come to a Christian message board to enjoy conversation with other Christians without being harrassed by mockers.

Yeah, I know exactly how you feel.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

What?!? No access to MTV? Dude, you are so oppressed. You must escape NOW, before we Christians take over the world and brainwash everyone. MMUUUHHAAAAAAHHHAAAAA.

*oh snap, you mean you actually have control of the radio and can turn it off? Drat, foiled again*

 

[Lokisdottir]

I have a good idea where you're coming from. We have a similar, but opposite situation here.

Turn on the TV or radio here, and it's next to impossible to find any Godly content and schoolchildren are forbidden from exercising their faith voluntarily in school.

Since when? I can find Christian programs on TV almost any time I want, and the idea that kids aren't allowed to pray in school is a huge misconception. If I were Christian, I could whip out a bible and start praying if I wanted to (though if I tried to do it during an exam, I'd rightly be told to be quiet and stop interrupting everybody).

They're taught that there is no God or moral absolutes, that it's OK to have sex as children (do you realize that if any of us told children the things they're taught in sex ed class, we'd be locked up?).

What? I have never, ever, ever been told at any point during my years at school that there's no God -- and I live in ungodly heathen liberal Massachusetts for crying out loud. Also, at no point during sex ed were we taught that underage sex is okay.

Christians are routinely mocked and treated as second class citizens, in spite of all of the contributions we've made to our society and to the founding of our own country.

Again, since when? I'll admit, I've occasionally seen Christians endure a bit of teasing, but that does not count as being treated as second-class citizens.

 

[12volt_man]

Since when? I can find Christian programs on TV almost any time I want,

I take it you don't live in Maryland.

and the idea that kids aren't allowed to pray in school is a huge misconception.

Kids are allowed to pray by law, but are still being stopped from praying at the local level.

 

[Crusader05]

I agree Lokisdottir, 12 voltman needs to stop whining.

"Heck, we can't even come to a Christian message board to enjoy conversation with other Christians without being harrassed by mockers."
Since when do they allow that on CF? I know I've only been a member a couple of weeks but I am never seen any harassment by non-Chiristians here.

12voltman, if you are so outraged by this suposed "persecution" I would hate to think how you would have delt with being thrown to the lions in the Colusseum.

 

[Finella]

I take it you don't live in Maryland.

Don't know if you can get this station, but TBN has an affiliate in Maryland:
Cresaptown Maryland Trinity Broadcasting Network W43BP 43

And surely EWTN (the Catholic radio and television network) is available via Cable (according to their website they are now on Sirius as well).

Kids are allowed to pray by law, but are still being stopped from praying at the local level.

Can you elaborate on this? Can they not pray independently in school, without being led by teachers or other school personnel?

 

[ksen]

Anyone with the slightest idea of psychology is, knows that this affects people. Religion is being forced on people.

When you think about it. Is there absolutely any reason whatsoever for christians to hear this all day?? They are already saved!

Where is the moral in this??

Would you have the same problem if it were a brand of Secular Humanism being constantly fed to people through schools and the pop culture?

 

[Madcoil]

(though if I tried to do it during an exam, I'd rightly be told to be quiet and stop interrupting everybody).

If god helped you with an exam, would this be considered cheating?

 

[rejectreality]

When you go to puplic school for 10 years, you are required to meet for a morning sermon every day, and christianity is a required subject for 8 years.

Where do you live?

 

[Madcoil]

Maybe in christiania?

 

[Ledifni]

I have a good idea where you're coming from. We have a similar, but opposite situation here.

Turn on the TV or radio here, and it's next to impossible to find any Godly content and schoolchildren are forbidden from exercising their faith voluntarily in school.

Where? Teachers are forbidden to force schoolchildren to attend religious services or prayers, yes. But where in this country is it illegal or forbidden for schoolchildren to voluntarily exercise their faith? Where?

They're taught that there is no God or moral absolutes, that it's OK to have sex as children (do you realize that if any of us told children the things they're taught in sex ed class, we'd be locked up?).

Where are these things taught, 12volt_man? Where? What sex ed class teaches children that it's ok to have sex when they're children? What sex ed teacher could teach that without going to jail for many, many years? What public school teaches that there is no God or moral absolutes? What school is so blatantly violating the Constitution? Because, you know, you have a rock-solid ACLU-backed court case if that's the case. But I truly doubt it is.

Christians are routinely mocked and treated as second class citizens, in spite of all of the contributions we've made to our society and to the founding of our own country.

Au contraire, Christians in America are the majority group. They receive more priveleges than any other religious group in this nation. Many Christians treat others as second-class citizens, but Christians are treated like the gems of society.

Heck, we can't even come to a Christian message board to enjoy conversation with other Christians without being harrassed by mockers.

Yeah, I know exactly how you feel.

No you don't. Your persecution complex is nothing compared to actual persecution.

 

[Ledifni]

Would you have the same problem if it were a brand of Secular Humanism being constantly fed to people through schools and the pop culture?

YES. Indoctrination is indoctrination. Even if I agree in general, I don't want to hear preaching from my radio and TV all day long.

 

[12volt_man]

I agree Lokisdottir, 12 voltman needs to stop whining.

Who's whining? I'm just stating a fact.

Markets are what they are.

12voltman, if you are so outraged by this suposed "persecution" I would hate to think how you would have delt with being thrown to the lions in the Colusseum.

What are you talking about? Who said anything about persecution?

 

[12volt_man]

Don't know if you can get this station, but TBN has an affiliate in Maryland:
Cresaptown Maryland Trinity Broadcasting Network W43BP 43

TBN has, what, one or two Christian teachers and how much **** do you have to sit through to get to it?

And surely EWTN (the Catholic radio and television network) is available via Cable (according to their website they are now on Sirius as well).

What if you're not Catholic?

Can you elaborate on this? Can they not pray independently in school, without being led by teachers or other school personnel?

In some districts, no, they can't.

 

[12volt_man]

Where? Teachers are forbidden to force schoolchildren to attend religious services or prayers, yes. But where in this country is it illegal or forbidden for schoolchildren to voluntarily exercise their faith? Where?

Again, as I said before, kids are allowed to pray by law, but are often stopped at the local level by teachers who have such a shoddy understanding of the Constitution, that they don't even know that children can exercise their 1st Amendment rights.

I'm tend to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they do this out of ignorance and not out of more sinister motives but the end result is the same.

Consider the following:

http://www.aclj.org/news/Read.aspx?ID=357

http://www.aclj.org/Cases/default.aspx?Section=71

(by the way, does anyone else see the irony here, in that we're talking about the Bethel school district...Bethel means "House of God")

http://www.aclj.org/Cases/default.aspx?Section=68

http://www.aclj.org/news/Read.aspx?ID=212

This stuff is happening every day.

Where are these things taught, 12volt_man? Where? What sex ed class teaches children that it's ok to have sex when they're children? What sex ed teacher could teach that without going to jail for many, many years? What public school teaches that there is no God or moral absolutes?

They are routinely taught implicitly by teaching children how to have sex and then not telling them that sex is appropriate only between a man and wife, but when you're "sure that you're ready".

What school is so blatantly violating the Constitution?

You mean in addition to the ones above?

Because, you know, you have a rock-solid ACLU-backed court case if that's the case. But I truly doubt it is.

Yeah, the ACLU is really sympathetic to Christian causes.

Au contraire, Christians in America are the majority group. They receive more priveleges than any other religious group in this nation.

Really? And how did we come to this conclusion? How are you defining "Christian"?

Many Christians treat others as second-class citizens, but Christians are treated like the gems of society.

We are? Have you heard the way the left talks about us?

No you don't. Your persecution complex is nothing compared to actual persecution.

Again, no one ever said anything about persecution. Being inconvenienced is not the same as being persecuted.

If this is what passes for "persecution" on the left, no wonder you guys are always whining about something or another.

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

Again, no one ever said anything about persecution. Being inconvenienced is not the same as being persecuted.

If this is what passes for "persecution" on the left, no wonder you guys are always whining about something or another.

Interesting statement.
Would you define for me what exactly is the difference. Where is the line drawn that separates inconvenience from Christian persecution?

 

[seebs]

Kids are allowed to pray by law, but are still being stopped from praying at the local level.

Never heard of anyone being stopped from praying, only stopped from disrupting class by praying, or, say, using the school's loudspeaker system, or otherwise forcing other people to participate.

 

[Runilo]

The place sounds rather nice to me in contrast to all the pure smut we get here in the states. But if you don't want to hear or see it, turn it off. Problem solved.

Yes, but i would also like to hear just anything else.

Please don't take this as a mean spirited comment becuase that is not my intention however...

If I were in a position like you are and was extremely uncomfortable with being bombarded by Christian material 24/7 I believe that the very last thing I would ever want to do with my time is join the top internet site for Christians and spend that precious time posting to a predominantly Christian forum.

Maybe I have been surrounded too much by it. No actually, I think it makes a lot of sense.

Over time, I have gotten, well, you might say hateful, towards Christianity. Not the people, but the religion itself.

I am extremely convinced that the bible is not true, I see so many faults in the religion, that It is hard for me to comprehend why people actually believe it.



I am interested in just how convinced Christians are in their religion. And I must admit, part of the reason I’m here, is to show the Christians some faults in the religion that conflicts with a biblical description of God.

 

[wowbagger]

Again, as I said before, kids are allowed to pray by law, but are often stopped at the local level by teachers who have such a shoddy understanding of the Constitution, that they don't even know that children can exercise their 1st Amendment rights.

I'm tend to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they do this out of ignorance and not out of more sinister motives but the end result is the same.

Consider the following:

http://www.aclj.org/news/Read.aspx?ID=357

http://www.aclj.org/Cases/default.aspx?Section=71

(by the way, does anyone else see the irony here, in that we're talking about the Bethel school district...Bethel means "House of God")

http://www.aclj.org/Cases/default.aspx?Section=68

http://www.aclj.org/news/Read.aspx?ID=212

This stuff is happening every day.

Kids in the US are not stopped from praying. If you think they are, please tell me how. School is for "learning". Teach your kids your religion at home and on Sundays- or whatever. The PUBLIC school cannot possibly teach hundreds of religions to satisfy every parent. Best to leave it alone.

I read the law suits you cite. Some of them are clearly justified, like the child who wanted to use the Jesus book for her assignment. OK with me. Why not? The kids who wanted an after school Bible club....sure!! No problem. Doesn't interfere at all and is voluntary. Though they should provide their own resources since it an exclusionary club. (We can get into the race based clubs later if you like- I'm not fond of those either)

But the kids who wanted to use the loud speaker? Well unless they simply wanted to invite students to their meeting, no prob. But if they want to proseletize, then they cross the line.

What if your kid went to a school in Michigan where the majority of students were Muslim and they heard the Koran every day on the loud speaker...would you agree that was proper to allow?

I really do not understand Christians and the persecution complex. It's insane since 80% of the US says they are Christian. If you are so perturbed, that they can't pray and take up other students' time, then send them to private school! You can do what you want then!

wowbagger ---- who survived 17 years of Catholic education and never remembers having to pray in "class"--though we did have a religion study hour (Prayer was only during the special church services and you didn't "have" to go to those)

 

[12volt_man]

Interesting statement.
Would you define for me what exactly is the difference. Where is the line drawn that separates inconvenience from Christian persecution?

When the kid at the McDonald's drive through forgets to put your fries in the bag, that's inconvenience.

When a tyranical government tortures and murders the family of a pastor in front of him to send a message, that's persecution.