Christian History

[everready]

This is how it all began.
http://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/fox101.htm

In Christ,
Lee

 

[Rick Otto]

 

[everready]

http://www.greatdanepro.com/Dear Jesus/index.htm

In Christ,
Lee

 

[E.C.]

Does it include the persecution of Orthodox Native Alaskans by US government financed Protestants?

 

[everready]

Does it include the persecution of Orthodox Native Alaskans by US government financed Protestants?

I love you like a brother but what kind of a question is that?
My guess would be, that you would have to look it up. I'll even help, you see I live in Washington State as well.

In Christ,
Lee

 

[Rick Otto]

Tell us about the Native Alaskan Martyrs that died for the faith at the hands of these Protestants.

Or are you switchin' the subject of martyrs to any & all victims of your current favorite whippin' boy?

I happen to be a friend of a Jew who is back in town upgradin' his acedemic credentials in order to return to Alaska in a higher capacity @ serving the social needs of the Innuit peoples.

He has some very interesting stories to tell.
Even the Nobel Savages aren't immune to the ravages of human imperfections. Sometimes their children need to be rescued from their parents and he has described to me his interfacing with tribal councils.
Some remote locations were too far to reach in his little boat, so he would be flown in.
He carried a rifle for protection from bears.
He wears glasses & is kind of a chubby white guy. You'd never guess he was a black belt in half-a-dozen martial arts disciplines.
It can be amazing how much we blinder ourselves about people with all the little pre-conceptual delusions we become fond of.

In my experience, the systems a person nominaly belong to, can become irrevelant in the blink of a spiritualy discerning eye.

Thanks for keepin' us from lookin' like we were about to break our arms pattin' each other on the back!

 

[everready]

http://english.hidden-advent.org/experience/0001.php

 

[PaladinValer]

Foxe's Book of Martyrs?

No thanks; I'm not into Protestant propaganda. Read some of the later chapters; you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

I would suggest going down canonized Saints lists of various Apostolic Churches and Protestant denominations and doing individual research. Its far more neutral IMO.

 

[everready]

Foxe's Book of Martyrs?

No thanks; I'm not into Protestant propaganda. Read some of the later chapters; you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

I would suggest going down canonized Saints lists of various Apostolic Churches and Protestant denominations and doing individual research. Its far more neutral IMO.

But I can see you still have a lot of unanswered questions rolling around in that mind of yours. I could , but I won't, box you into a corner that would just fill you with a lot of hate. 37 years of bible study, may I ask? how long have you known Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour. I mean the day you sat down and had that chat with him that every Christian has? When you confessed all of your sins to him and him alone, not some church representitive, The day you said "Jesus" I'm all yours both now and forever? You do remember that day, don't you? My life? Me? rotten to the core, drank $250.00 each month for 15 years. Figure it out, lets see $250.00 12 months, thats one year now x 15 years, well you do the math, my mind isn't what it used to be. In a wheel chair now, Jesus put me here for my own good, the doctors think I'm from another planet. They say nobody can drink that much alcohol and live to tell about it. Kind of gives me goose bumps, Jesus did this for me. Its called love, but not as the world understands love. Its Agape love from on high.

Oh, before I forget and I often do. He is my Shepherd, He is the Great I Am. He is The Alpha He is The Omega. He is The Beginning He is The End, He is The Christ Of God and He is Mine. Everyone I meet, "everyone" I share the Gospel of Jesus Christ, there is no tomorrow, today is the day of Salvation. You know what I mean or was this all just a waste of time? Well I'm off to an appointment and if the Lord has his way 1,2,3 maybe more will be on their way to paradise.

In Christ,
Lee

 

[E.C.]

I love you like a brother but what kind of a question is that?

It is a very good question. The link was to a book of martyrs. Orthodox Native Alaskans were persecuted by Protestants and some Roman Catholics.

We were just talking about persecution in TAW and Alaska was brought up. Would you like the link to the thread (or at least the page)?

Tell us about the Native Alaskan Martyrs that died for the faith at the hands of these Protestants.

I haven't looked into the history enough to tell if there was death from Protestants, but it may as well have been.

Children taken from their parents, raised Protestant and taught to hate Orthodox.
There was a Lutheran mission that was supposed to bring Scandinavian reindeer to Alaska. It composed of mainly single men who planned on marrying the Orthodox natives so that there would be no Orthodoxy in that area.
It failed. The missionaries became Orthodox and the reindeer they brought with them died!

 

[everready]

It is a very good question. The link was to a book of martyrs. Orthodox Native Alaskans were persecuted by Protestants and some Roman Catholics.

We were just talking about persecution in TAW and Alaska was brought up. Would you like the link to the thread (or at least the page)?



I haven't looked into the history enough to tell if there was death from Protestants, but it may as well have been.

Children taken from their parents, raised Protestant and taught to hate Orthodox.
There was a Lutheran mission that was supposed to bring Scandinavian reindeer to Alaska. It composed of mainly single men who planned on marrying the Orthodox natives so that there would be no Orthodoxy in that area.
It failed. The missionaries became Orthodox and the reindeer they brought with them died!

Well, just a minute, O.k. minutes up. You said something about Protestants persecuting people? What kind of Protestants? Over my 37 years as a Christian I can't ever remember a "real" Protestant doing harm to anyone, not like that. Do you mean when you say persecute, tourture or killing or something of that nature? The God I know is one of love and peace. There are other gods, "lots" of them. But they lack one thing, Jesus Christ, now he was persecuted, he was tourtured, he was crucified. There is a name for the god that did that to him. He is known as the god of this world, this evill world. Christ is from heaven. Satan is from hell. The choice is ours, the god of this world or the God in heaven. Now back to your statement, protestants persecuting people, who do they answer to? My Jesus or the god of this world, Satan?

In Christ,
Lee

 

[E.C.]

Well, just a minute, O.k. minutes up. You said something about Protestants persecuting people? What kind of Protestants?

All kinds.

McKinley had Alaska divided up into portions. Each missionary had a portion. One for Lutherans. One for Baptists. One for Episcopalians. One for Presbyterians etc etc.

Even during the Cold War days the local Coast Guard folks would use the icons for target practice.

In the 1700's St. Innocent, a bishop from Russia, went to Alaska to missionize to the Natives. He spent the first couple of years studying the languages, dialects and then made an alphabet for them using Cyrillic. Bibles and Liturgy books were translated for the people he went to. When the Prots came in, all these books and Bibles were thusly: burned.

Lord have Mercy

 

[everready]

All kinds.

McKinley had Alaska divided up into portions. Each missionary had a portion. One for Lutherans. One for Baptists. One for Episcopalians. One for Presbyterians etc etc.

Even during the Cold War days the local Coast Guard folks would use the icons for target practice.

In the 1700's St. Innocent, a bishop from Russia, went to Alaska to missionize to the Natives. He spent the first couple of years studying the languages, dialects and then made an alphabet for them using Cyrillic. Bibles and Liturgy books were translated for the people he went to. When the Prots came in, all these books and Bibles were thusly: burned.

Lord have Mercy

There was a book written about book burning Fahrenheit 451 or something like that. It was made in the 60's describing a society that wouldn't tolerate people that wanted to read books, any books, think for themselves in other words. All under some sort of political control. Must believe what the teacher says, right? wrong! It was their way or the, well you know, they would simply kill them. So I ask again, who where these Prots as you call them? The other question I have is, who is this St. Innocent? and who sent him and why?

In Christ,
Lee

 

[E.C.]

St. Innocent of Alaska was a priest when he went as a missionary to Alaska. He went to preach to the native population. He was sent by the Russian Orthodox Church in the 1800's (made mistake on post before this).

The Protestants were of various groups and came after the US bought Alaska. They really started going during the Klondike Gold Rush.

http://www.outreachalaska.org/history.html This explains a bit of the history.

 

[everready]

St. Innocent of Alaska was a priest when he went as a missionary to Alaska. He went to preach to the native population. He was sent by the Russian Orthodox Church in the 1800's (made mistake on post before this).

The Protestants were of various groups and came after the US bought Alaska. They really started going during the Klondike Gold Rush.

http://www.outreachalaska.org/history.html This explains a bit of the history.

But, I still have a question or two. The church that sent this man, where are they located, thats #1, Protestant? #2 Catholic? #3 or? I wouldn't ask you understand, but its important to me.

In Christ,
Lee

 

[disasm]

But, I still have a question or two. The church that sent this man, where are they located, thats #1, Protestant? #2 Catholic? #3 or? I wouldn't ask you understand, but its important to me.

In Christ,
Lee

None of the above, Eastern Orthodox. Read up on Church history

 

[everready]

None of the above, Eastern Orthodox. Read up on Church history

But where does Foxes Book Of Martyrs come into all of this?
Thats where this thread started. And I still haven't had any answers to that subject.

In Christ,
Leer

 

[everready]

We were talking about Eastern Orthodox and Alaskan Natives, we sure were talking then, remember?

So, why not go back to my thread starter about church history, remember that too?

Then let go back to Foxes Book Of Martyrs: did you find it offencive?

So why not go back to the place where it all started. Or are you more interested in, or should I say, why not start your own thread. A place where you can talk about the Eastern Orthodox and Alaskan Natives, Hem....?

In Christ,
Lee

Btw, I don't appreciate someone stealing my threads.
Do I make myself clear?

 

[E.C.]

Foxe's Book of Martyrs (though I know little about it) is a book of martyrs.

Is it all martyrs? Or is it only Protestant martyrs? Roman Catholic martyrs? Orthodox martyrs?

What kind of martyrs are in this book?

 

[everready]

Foxe's Book of Martyrs (though I know little about it) is a book of martyrs.

Is it all martyrs? Or is it only Protestant martyrs? Roman Catholic martyrs? Orthodox martyrs?

What kind of martyrs are in this book?

You haven't even read the whole book yet have you?

There are other books that are hard to understand, those I try to stay away from. I'm not a smart man, but John Foxes book was an easy read, for me anyways.

Its a book written to be a record of what happened to the early Christians. There was one entry I'll not soon forget. There was this man, he was to be burned at the stake, sounds scarry doesn't it? Well, he had this guy in the crowd, yes these events drew large crowds. They called it entertainment. To go on, this guy asked the man that was facing this to do him a favor, if he could. Oh, brother, what a favor, phew! He said while your in those flames and if you feel no pain, then clap your hands. As he melted into a pile of wax, just before his arms were consumed, he clapped his hands three times.

Now, why not go and read the book, that story was a mild story, compared to what they did to the women and the children.

I'm sorry, but thats how I feel about whats in those pages.

In Christ,
Lee

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