Christian History

[Rick Otto]

EmperorConstantine;Foxe's Book of Martyrs (though I know little about it) is a book of martyrs.

Big of ya to admit. Who would've guessed?

Is it all martyrs? Or is it only Protestant martyrs? Roman Catholic martyrs? Orthodox martyrs?

I've only read it once, but I'm pretty sure they were all "Christian" martyrs, some of whom were martyred by "Christians".

What kind of martyrs are in this book?

All of 'em are "deceased martyrs".

 

[everready]

1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel;
2 To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;
3 To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;
4 To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.
5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:
6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.

In Christ,
Lee

 

[Rick Otto]

They seek you out.
On the other hand...
Pr 9:8 - Show Context Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
Pr 13:1 - Show Context A wise son heareth his father's instruction: but a scorner heareth not rebuke.
Ec 7:5 - Show Context It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.

I wonder if Foxe's Book of Martyr's isn' a sort of a kind of a rebuke, ...almost.
If only for some of the people some of the time?
At any rate, re: flies, I find it helps a little to stand in where the wind 'listeth' & stay upwind.

 

[LibraryOwl]

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[everready]

Thats O,k,

 

[LibraryOwl]

I remember reading it somewhere in Foxe, but you know it's so big. Honestly- citation for a quote like that is important. I dont have the time or energy to search it out. Do you know how big FBM is? I have removed the quote.

 

[everready]

:o Phew, I'd say about somewheres around 500, maybe more.

In Christ,
Lee

 

[PaladinValer]

What is so hard to understand?

But I can see you still have a lot of unanswered questions rolling around in that mind of yours. I could , but I won't, box you into a corner that would just fill you with a lot of hate.

1. Your talent in mind-reading is grossly overestimated.
2. I do sense a lot of hate however in your reply.

37 years of bible study, may I ask? how long have you known Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour. I mean the day you sat down and had that chat with him that every Christian has?

1. Quality, not quantity. After 37 years of study, you should know that.
2. It seems very clear that you did not read very carefully my post, because this whole post is nothing but a Straw Man Fallacy. Please reread my post and ask questions before you jump to conclusions.

When you confessed all of your sins to him and him alone, not some church representitive, The day you said "Jesus" I'm all yours both now and forever? You do remember that day, don't you? My life? Me? rotten to the core, drank $250.00 each month for 15 years. Figure it out, lets see $250.00 12 months, thats one year now x 15 years, well you do the math, my mind isn't what it used to be. In a wheel chair now, Jesus put me here for my own good, the doctors think I'm from another planet. They say nobody can drink that much alcohol and live to tell about it. Kind of gives me goose bumps, Jesus did this for me. Its called love, but not as the world understands love. Its Agape love from on high.

Fallacy of Appealing to Pity.

Oh, before I forget and I often do. He is my Shepherd, He is the Great I Am. He is The Alpha He is The Omega. He is The Beginning He is The End, He is The Christ Of God and He is Mine. Everyone I meet, "everyone" I share the Gospel of Jesus Christ, there is no tomorrow, today is the day of Salvation. You know what I mean or was this all just a waste of time? Well I'm off to an appointment and if the Lord has his way 1,2,3 maybe more will be on their way to paradise.

In Christ,
Lee

More Fallacy of Appealing to Pity.

Please reread my post.

Well, just a minute, O.k. minutes up. You said something about Protestants persecuting people? What kind of Protestants? Over my 37 years as a Christian I can't ever remember a "real" Protestant doing harm to anyone, not like that. Do you mean when you say persecute, tourture or killing or something of that nature? The God I know is one of love and peace. There are other gods, "lots" of them. But they lack one thing, Jesus Christ, now he was persecuted, he was tourtured, he was crucified. There is a name for the god that did that to him. He is known as the god of this world, this evill world. Christ is from heaven. Satan is from hell. The choice is ours, the god of this world or the God in heaven. Now back to your statement, protestants persecuting people, who do they answer to? My Jesus or the god of this world, Satan?

In Christ,
Lee

No Real Scotsman Fallacy.

Foxe's Book of Martyrs (though I know little about it) is a book of martyrs.

A very selective list at that.

Is it all martyrs? Or is it only Protestant martyrs? Roman Catholic martyrs? Orthodox martyrs?

Protestant. Very Protestant. It helped to lead to a lot of anti-Vatican Catholic strife and feelings when it was published.

What kind of martyrs are in this book?

Many folks that you are I would see as heterodox

 

[everready]

Foxes Book, that has to be it. We are talking about a group of people that are trying to sweep the darkest part of history known to mankind, under a rug.
Why or who would want to do such a thing as that?

I'm not trying to out gun you, that would make me the fool. So, I'm sorry if I have offended you or anyone else. I read that book in 1972 and it seems like any time I bring it up for discussion, peoples feelings get hurt.

So I am formally apologize to you, and anyone else I've offended.

Oh and Btw, I won't bring it up again, at least not here.

In Christ,
Lee
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[Rick Otto]

You just offended me by apologizing to His Rudeness, Mr. Thinskin Noahtall.

 

[everready]

I thought that, well by that picture that was a she, now shes a he


Phew, I gotta find out whos who, its almost like a mystery story

In Christ,
Lee

 

[everready]

You just offended me by apologizing to His Rudeness, Mr. Thinskin Noahtall.

Now that's funny!

 

[everready]

Foxe's Book of Martyrs?

No thanks; I'm not into Protestant propaganda. Read some of the later chapters; you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

I would suggest going down canonized Saints lists of various Apostolic Churches and Protestant denominations and doing individual research. Its far more neutral IMO.

Is this Protestant propaganda, this is the reason those Christians were tortured and put to death, they wouldn't renounce their faith in Christ and Christ alone. We believe Jesus Christ is our savior not that bachelor in Rome.

[SIZE=+3]"We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely NECESSARY FOR the SALVATION of every human creature to be SUBJECT TO THE ROMAN PONTIFF (POPE)."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]--POPE BONIFACE VIII, BULL UNUN SANCTUM, 1302
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[Rick Otto]

Yeah, it's the Propaganda Label Fallacy following the Rome Is A Protestant Victim Fallacy. Please reread this post 100 times before taking your next breath.

 

[everready]

Yeah, it's the Propaganda Label Fallacy following the Rome Is A Protestant Victim Fallacy. Please reread this post 100 times before taking your next breath.

This won't be easy, alright 123 go....

 

[Rick Otto]

You gotta give him points on style for the Christian male version of the Burka.

 

[everready]

You gotta give him points on style for the Christian male version of the Burka.

Um... you really think so well maybe??

 

[E.C.]

Wow, threadnecromancy again.

Rick Otto, I am confused and perhaps you can help me.
Why is it that Protestants care so much about what Rome thinks of itself? So what if Rome believes only those with allegiance to the pope go to heaven. Fred Phelps believes only his family/church/parish is going to heaven (as an example of the 'only ___ goes to ___' thought). Pardon my bring an Eastern quote to a Western system hear, but should we not perhaps ponder and act upon the words of St. Theophan the Recluse (an Orthodox saint) who said "Worry not about the heterodox. They have a savior who loves and cares for them. Worry about your own salvation" (something to that effect)? Which, when we ponder, is reminiscent of that other quote about removing the plank from one's own eye before worrying about the splinter in the brother's eye?

Just a thought...

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=EmperorConstantine; Wow, threadnecromancy again.

Rick Otto, I am confused and perhaps you can help me.
Why is it that Protestants care so much about what Rome thinks of itself?

Because it has so much power that it became a matter of life & death for many.

So what if Rome believes only those with allegiance to the pope go to heaven.

They don't leave it at that. It becomes so grandiose that they translate it into global temporal power. Read Unam Sanctum. It is only a few paragraphs, but it verifies what I'm saying.

Fred Phelps believes only his family/church/parish is going to heaven (as an example of the 'only ___ goes to ___' thought). Pardon my bring an Eastern quote to a Western system hear, but should we not perhaps ponder and act upon the words of St. Theophan the Recluse (an Orthodox saint) who said "Worry not about the heterodox. They have a savior who loves and cares for them. Worry about your own salvation" (something to that effect)? Which, when we ponder, is reminiscent of that other quote about removing the plank from one's own eye before worrying about the splinter in the brother's eye?

"My own salvation" wasn't just about eternity for quite awhile. People were losing their lives to Vatican persecutions. Today the "hidden hand" is the chief tactic and gun control precedes other anti-freedom actions on the Vatican agenda. Read about the "Syllabus of Errors" at Wikipedia for a glance at the agenda.

Just a thought...

Amen.
America's founders did a lot of thinking about it, too. Catholics weren't going to be allowed but that didn't fly with the principle of freedom of religion (which the Vatican technicaly but not openly opposes) so they were restricted to owning property in one area that they named "Maryland".
"Jesusland" sounds better to me, but that may be one of the reasons I'm no longer Roman Catholic.

 

[everready]

EmperorConstantine; Wow, threadnecromancy again.

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