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Christian Fundamentalists Appreciate Life

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It is because man is the glory of God and woman is the glory of man; man was created in the image of God and later woman in the image of man.

Man is in charge.

Men are traditionally physically stronger.

Men are often more practical, cold and rational then women and more objective -- though this may currently be environmental, I do not think that is the case.

Women were given a different skill set than men -- a skill set meant to accommodate man.

However, with the advent of Christ we do see some liberalizations of the rules that were amongst the Jewish people.

And in marriage, man and women become equal owners of one another.

I would caution you to not view everything from your generation's perspective -- it makes you less able to appreciate things.

Isn't that blasphemy? I mean the only thing separating men from women is anatomy and some chemistry.

LOL. True.

OK. God is not a 'man.' God is male. God is a man in the sense of being male and God. Man was created in His Image.

And why can the body not be comfortable?

I dont see you squirreling yourself away in an ascetic manner, or any other Christians for that matter save a handful of Catholics.

I've never understood the compulsion to paint life as some sort of curse

Life is a blessing and life has suffering, and it is exactly this suffering that makes us better.

We should seek suffering as a test from our God.

To seek pleasure for pleasure's sake is not the goal.
 
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"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free-man, male nor female, for all are one in Christ Jesus." - Galatians 3:28
 
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God is a man:
God has an x and y chromosome? A penis?

Is it simply that his personality is masculine?

But if you know that pleasure is an end result, any time you help someone you know ahead of time that you'll get a pleasurable feeling.

Helping people is to provide happiness or at least help alleviate suffering. The purpose of doing so is for the end result- for a greater amount of happiness amongst people.

I'd maybe believe that Christians want to avoid pleasure and comfort if they didn't preach about how Christians would go to heaven and others to hell. Is heaven uncomfortable, unpleasant, unsatisfactory?

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It is because man is the glory of God and woman is the glory of man; man was created in the image of God and later woman in the image of man.

Both were created in Gods image.
The interesting thing is that neither of you is wrong about Genesis. Both accounts exist. Genesis 1 tells the story one way, and then Genesis 2 backtracks a bit and tells part of the story over again in a different way.

From Genesis 1:
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

From Genesis 2:
the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
...(a few verses later)...
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

(One of the authors clearly had a more balanced view of the genders than the other.)

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And another reason to accept Genesis as an old Israeli legend. Also when one realizes that the Pentateuch was most likely not written by Moses but rather by someone else after His death. Most likely after the return of the Jews to Israel from Babylon.
 
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Yes from most sources I've read, it was written down as a compilation of oral traditions.

-Lyn
 
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God has an x and y chromosome? A penis?

Is it simply that his personality is masculine?

I do not know about the DNA of God, but he is a man and has a penis, and man was created in God's image.


All I know is Heaven is the Kingdom of God. I do not subscribe to exaggerated views about it.

Anything that is done solely to attain pleasure is wrong.

St. Augustine even said that those who believe in God merely to go to heaven and attain pleasure will be condemned.

 
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I do not know about the DNA of God, but he is a man and has a penis, and man was created in God's image.

"Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." - Genesis.

Note that Genesis II in which woman is made from the rib of man is not a sequel to Genesis I, but rather, a different narrative itself.

Furthermore, while it can be true to say that we human beings tend to ascribe masculine and patriarchal qualities to God, it is not necessarily the case that God does actually possess the qualities of either sexes. God himself does not declare to us that he possesses a penis. Why would he even need one?

Prove it.

Proven in the above Genesis quotation.

But it is not real, and it is not true.

Is a lie 'good?'

Why is 'gender equality' not true? Even the Bible proclaims it in the Galatians quote I earlier presented and in the equal creation of Male and Female in Genesis I. When Paul speaks of the man as head is he really proposing doctrine or continuing a social convention established prior to doctrine?

Prove it.

Have you met many women?

My experiences are the complete opposite -- probably because I do not come from a society versed in liberal propaganda.

So you come from a society versed in the Dark Ages? I make no apologies if my 'liberal propaganda'* as you call it is rational and sound.

* By the way, I am not a 'liberal'. My family is highly Conservative and my father abhors Socialism. I myself am Centrist.

But man is created in the image of God.

So is woman. Read above the Genesis I quote which clearly portrays an equal creation of Male and Female in the image of God.

Paul opposed many things that were societal trends, such as homosexuality, fornication, alcoholism, etc.

And he is also continued many social conventions. What's your point?

If God is against gender roles, why didn't Paul oppose it?

Because Paul is human, and while a saint, still flawed, and still a participant of culture and therefore obliged to follow custom.

Because he is a conservative and because He was spoken to by God. You do not get spoken to by God -- and if you did, you certainly wouldn't be saying what you are saying now.

That is ridiculous. What you are essentially saying is that if God did speak to someone and that someone spoke of gender equality then you would not believe that they are God's witness. How do you know that those who preach gender equality are not instruments of God's will today? You don't.

They are on equal standing with God but subject to men.

"the head of the woman is the man" (1 Corinthians 11:3)

You kinda forgot that in the Risen Christ we are all 'made new' in being.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free-man, male nor female, for all are one in Christ Jesus." - Galatians 3:28
 
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At the moment, we are faced with a global economic crisis. It was caused, primarily, by the people at the top of the business being absolute idiots. Specifically, they took incredible risks with no safety net, which offered temporary adrenaline rushes and riches in exchange for inevitable and predictable global collapse.

I have three questions:

1. How rational is that?
2. Which gender is generally more likely to take extreme risks when fueled by adrenaline?
3. The vast majority of the people owning these companies belong to which gender?
 
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