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Christian flourishing in a pluralistic setting

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*yawn* Thanks for nothing.
 
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What is irrational about wanting Christianity to flourish in a pluralistic setting? Is it irrational to think it's possible?
If it flourishes it will no longer be a pluralistic society. The very fact their is a post on this shows that Christianity has been dying, it precisely why once christian societies are now pluralistic, with Christianity on a decline every decade for the past 40 years to make way for pluralism.
 
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As a general comment, the thrust of these principles seems to be an external focus especially 5 and 6 and the values embodied appear to be dependent on the modern western bias to individuality, freedom, and tolerance. Christians are called to be salt and light, testifying to the evil of the society they live in. Recognizing autonomy is necessary, but emphasizing the importance of it is contrary to Christianity. Christianity in the west has been domesticated, which is clear from the lack of persecution. In order to truly flourish, we must embrace being hated for speaking and living according to moral principles.
 
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Essentially, I like this 6-point approach, but I get snagged on a little something in that last thing you said, PH. How can we advocate for the creation of a social dialogue space that includes not only commonalities but something we'd call "dispute," even very serious dispute? Not all other persons in all other cultures are willing to allow us to promote a space that includes an exclusive (or even a limitedly inclusive) affirmation about religious salvation in Jesus.

What I'm saying here isn't meant to be a critique of what Miroslav Volf and Matthew Croasman are suggesting; rather, it's an intuitive leap on my part in sensing a potential clash of valus, especially if the Social Peace Jesus wants humanity to have isn't necessarily the kind of social peace that people want.

So, what I'm trying to drive at is that my issue with Volf and Croasman' approach isn't about whether we can succeed or not in contributing toward making a useful social space for the betterment of Mankind, but rather that the rest of Humanity might not like the little religious Trojan Horse that we Christians want to bring into "their" city. But... I could be wrong.
 
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Christianity in the west has been domesticated, which is clear from the lack of persecution.
This. I think the word 'domesticated' is the best adjective to describe Christianity in the west. I think I'll borrow it from now on.
 
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I think it is because of that pluralistic setting that Christianity will flourish in the end. There can only be one truth and if Christ is that truth then existing within a pluralistic setting will only differentiate that truth from the many other alternatives. Flourishing may not necessarily mean that Christianity will gain in quantity but it can also mean it will increase in quality as it is srutinized and compared to those alternative claims about what is truth and the way to peace and happiness in life.

What Christ and Christainity represent is what all people know within as to what is right and best. The bible tells us we all know about the truth of God whether we choose to acknowledge iot or not. We all seek that truth but some will reject it and others may substitute it for good look alikes. This will divide people where some will attack Gods truth while other will accept it. I think it is still much the same today.

Primarily as the bible says love is the greatest of all qualities to have and ultimately that love is manifest in one laying down their life for another. I think that is the defining difference that can stand out in a world that claims so many truths and ways and is focused on self. There can only be one truth and that is Christ for who Christianity was built on.

In the end that is what will persist and ring true whether people want to acknowledge it or not. I think deep down we all know God is the creator and Christ is the truth and light of the world. I believe this will become more apparent as time goes by but this will only further divide people.
 
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If people are given the choice between principle and laxity they will inevitably choose the latter. Christianity can flourish, but a pluralistic setting like the western world has proved poison for the Church. Christianity has been detached from secular culture at large and so we no longer expect others to conform to the standards of Christianity. Praying before dinner, going to Church weekly, at least avoiding the appearance of public impropriety (relations outside of marriage).

If we hold to the principle that it is more important to be free than it is to be conformed to the truth then why should we expect people to bow before Christ? To willingly limit themselves in a society which constantly encourages them to go the other way? Our media institutions, educational institutions and government institutions do not encourage and inculcate faith.

No, Christianity cannot flourish in the west as it now stands and will only shrink.
 
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