Christian Evolutionist

[Tomk80]

But what about this part:

that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

[Cosmas Indicopleustes]

Ever set up a tent on a sphere? Get real! When you set up your tent, you pick a nice, flat piece of land. The earth is flat, and the heavens are spread out over the earth, just as I set up my tent on flat piece of land, and spread out the tent curtain over this piece of land so I can dwell in my tent.


[/Cosmas Indicopleustes]

 

[Andrea77]

As asked for, from a single fossil deposit in Montana

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/horner.html

Can you show me proof of evolution i.e.: Fossils of one specie evolving from its initial form to another through the years with no gaps?

Is there any fossils that have been found that link to a species that is living now?

 

[Andrea77]

[Cosmas Indicopleustes]

Ever set up a tent on a sphere? Get real! When you set up your tent, you pick a nice, flat piece of land. The earth is flat, and the heavens are spread out over the earth, just as I set up my tent on flat piece of land, and spread out the tent curtain over this piece of land so I can dwell in my tent.


[/Cosmas Indicopleustes]

I never said (set up a tent on a sphere) the sphere is curtained by the universe like a tent to dwell in.

 

[Tomk80]

I never said they were the verse of scripture,

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
Is saying that the earth is a circle enveloped by the universe.

I certainly don't read that in there. It says that the earth is flat, with the heavens spread out over the earth like tent curtains over a tent. That is the exact, literal reading of the scripture here. Nowhere does it state that the earth is enveloped in the heavens, it is stated that the heavens are spread out above the earth as a tent.

 

[nvxplorer]

I never said they were the verse of scripture,

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
Is saying that the earth is a circle enveloped by the universe.

The table top is the circle of the earth - clearly flat. The canopy is the tent.

 

[Tomk80]

I never said (set up a tent on a sphere) the sphere is curtained by the universe like a tent to dwell in.

But that is not what the text states. The text states that the heavens are spread out above the earth like a tent, for the people to dwell in (the tent that is).

 

[Andrea77]

This is'nt fair there is always loads of guys (males) against me and only one me.

 

[In A Perfect World]

But that is not what the text states. The text states that the heavens are spread out above the earth like a tent, for the people to dwell in (the tent that is).

And from this you derive the oblate spheroid property of the planet earth? Talk about a non-sequitor!

EDIT: quoted the wrong person...

 

[Andrea77]

The table top is the circle of the earth - clearly flat. The canopy is the tent.

Tents go right to the ground and some of them meet at the bottom and join at all sides.

 

[In A Perfect World]

This is'nt fair there is always loads of guys (males) against me and only one me.

Red herring. Does it really make a difference who is arguing against who?

 

[Tomk80]

This is'nt fair there is always loads of guys (males) against me and only one me.

Grouphug!!!

 

[Andrea77]

I like the way you always manage to get of the initial subject.

 

[nvxplorer]

Tents go right to the ground and some of them meet at the bottom and join at all sides.

Use your imagination. The patio table as metaphor is appropriate.

Flat circle. Heavens above. Since the heavens appear to "meet" the earth at its horizon, the tent metaphor is used in scripture. It's really not that hard to figure out, unless your knowledge-of-the-day notion of a spherical earth gets in the way.

You already know the earth is spherical. This is what I was alluding to in the other post. The shape of the earth is something you cannot deny without severe self-deception. This is why you interpret the verse as indicating a spherical earth.

This knowledge was not universal in the sixth century. Indeed, most of Christianity held that a flat earth was axiomatic. Hence, they interpreted scripture as describing a flat earth.

 

[Tomk80]

Tents go right to the ground and some of them meet at the bottom and join at all sides.

Yes, but the bottom is still flat.

 

[Andrea77]

Use your imagination. The patio table as metaphor is appropriate.

Flat circle. Heavens above. Since the heavens appear to "meet" the earth at its horizon, the tent metaphor is used in scripture. It's really not that hard to figure out, unless your knowledge-of-the-day notion of a spherical earth gets in the way.

You already know the earth is spherical. This is what I was alluding to in the other post. The shape of the earth is something you cannot deny without severe self-deception. This is why you interpret the verse as indicating a spherical earth.

This knowledge was not universal in the sixth century. Indeed, most of Christianity held that a flat earth was axiomatic. Hence, they interpreted scripture as describing a flat earth.

What verse did they use?

 

[Andrea77]

Yes, but the bottom is still flat.

I don't see this scripture as you see it?

 

[nvxplorer]

What verse did they use?

Now you're just playing games.

See ya.

 

[In A Perfect World]

I don't see this scripture as you see it?

You're ignoring the whole "circle part" that the scripture starts with.

You can't say, "4=5, and X=4" = True. X might equal 4, but when taken as a whole, 4=5 gets in the way.

 

[Tomk80]

I like the way you always manage to get of the initial subject.

Yes, let's get back to the original point. As you are living in the here and now, you know that the earth is spherical and this is guiding you in the interpretation of that verse. However, had you lived in the sixth century, you wouldn't have known so certain that the earth was spherical. Sure, there were some calculations based on pagan (greek/roman) philsophy, but that is all. And pagan philosophy is clearly false, so there ideas of a spherical earth shouldn't be trusted.

Try to place yourself in that time period. Your living in the sixth century and talking with what's his name (the flat earth geography guy named earlier). And you're trying to point out to him that these calculations are correct. He would likely accuse you of following a pagan religion. And he would probably be bringing up the very same verse you have cited to show how right he is. He would use the exact same arguments as we did here. And he would probably accuse you of not taking the text literally, or reading things into the text that plainly aren't there. You say that the reading is so plain, but in fact it is not. And if you would have been living in the sixth century, flat earth geography guy might even have convinced you with his arguments, because they are exactly the same as the ones you are offering up against us now.

 

[Tomk80]

I don't see this scripture as you see it?

Indeed, you don't. And now who is correct. Imagine that you don't know whether the earth is spherical or flat, and the only thing to prove that with are the calculations that have been done by pagans. Would you honestly still be so convinced of your own position?