CHRISTIAN DAYCARE WORKERS FIRED FOR REFUSING TO CALL A LITTLE GIRL A BOY

[Cute Tink]

I didn't say anyone claimed it. I was asking YOU the question.

The question is absurd, but no.

 

[bhsmte]

Fine. Leading to point 2.



Part of your complaint is that the doctor lacks the training to properly evaluate the child, but now has the ability to determine the credentials of someone who does? I'm sorry, that's absurd.



See #2.

My main point being, however, is that I see no effort to follow any of these options, just jumping to calling CPS without demonstration of abuse.

The day care folks, are compelled to call CPS, if they have any reason to think something is amiss.

And no, it is not absurd for a physician to understand enough about mental health, to have the knowledge to understand the qualifications necessary, to access specific situations.

Just as your primary care doctor doesn't have the knowledge to treat your cardiovascular problem, but has the knowledge to understand what type of cardiologist, to refer you to.

 

[Cute Tink]

Yeah, seriously! You seem to want some lines blurred and seem so tolerant of someone wanting something, but you don't seem to accept the fact that once a line is crossed, then other demands can be made. First, people want to say they're the opposite sex. Second, they want everyone else to identify them as the opposite sex.

You missed the part where society determines what is allowed on a case by case basis. This false idea of a slippery slope is still illogical.

Third, they want everyone else to allow them to do whatever they please, even if it violates the law. So then they want laws changed, even if it makes people in society uncomfortable for the sake of their own comfort.

Riiiiight.

 

[Cute Tink]

The day care folks, are compelled to call CPS, if they have any reason to think something is amiss.

The law in Texas is "abuse or neglect".

And no, it is not absurd for a physician to understand enough about mental health, to have the knowledge to understand the qualifications necessary, to access specific situations.

Just as your primary care doctor doesn't have the knowledge to treat your cardiovascular problem, but has the knowledge to understand what type of cardiologist, to refer you to.

You are not placing the doctor into a position of referring a patient to someone who specializes in cardiology, but to investigate and evaluate whether the cardiologist has some credential or not beyond simply working as a cardiologist. If you want that doctor to make sure the cardiologist is a licensed medical professional, that's one thing, but you are placing a different standard here.

 

[bhsmte]

The law in Texas is "abuse or neglect".



You are not placing the doctor into a position of referring a patient to someone who specializes in cardiology, but to investigate and evaluate whether the cardiologist has some credential or not beyond simply working as a cardiologist. If you want that doctor to make sure the cardiologist is a licensed medical professional, that's one thing, but you are placing a different standard here.

There is emotional abuse and physical abuse and any sign whether small or large that could lead a reasonable person to believe either should be investigated, compels a mandatory reporter to investigate or prompt an investigation. If the parents have nothing to hide and or not harming the child emotionally, they have nothing to worry about.

You clearly don't understand how important it is, to have mental health professionals with specific credentials, perform evaluations. It is far beyond whether they have a license, but whether they have training in working with children and training in recognizing the signs of emotional abuse, etc, etc..

Some mental health professionals would be over their heads in dealing with this, others wouldn't be.

 

[Tallguy88]

What harm is there in that? If I was working in a day care and a kid came in dressed as Superman and wanted to be called Superman for the day, I would. If that same kid came dressed as Elsa the next day and wanted to be called Queen Elsa, fine. It's not harming me at all to give the kid room to have imagination or figure out themselves.



I don't use that word.

Fantasy vs reality. Kids have to learn that eventually, they need to differentiate between make-believe and reality, especially when they are interacting with other people.

But I was referring more to adults than kids with my question.

 

[Aldebaran]

Riiiiight.

You dismiss what I say, but don't have an argument against it? Typical.

 

[Cute Tink]

There is emotional abuse and physical abuse and any sign whether small or large that could lead a reasonable person to believe either should be investigated, compels a mandatory reporter to investigate or prompt an investigation. If the parents have nothing to hide and or not harming the child emotionally, they have nothing to worry about.

If only that were true. CPS has removed trans children immediately from homes and kept them away for 30+ days without any defining reason to suspect abuse other than the kid was trans. I've seen the stories from the parents when this happens. As I said before, there is a reason why there is a group that tells you how to build a binder of information to hand to CPS to keep this from happening.

You clearly don't understand how important it is, to have mental health professionals with specific credentials, perform evaluations. It is far beyond whether they have a license, but whether they have training in working with children and training in recognizing the signs of emotional abuse, etc, etc..

I actually am more than aware. However, you think an average doctor (who probably doesn't have training to even medically treat a trans person through transition - medical schools often haven't covered the subject) is going to have the ability to properly evaluate whether a therapist is properly trained to handle the evaluation of gender dysphoria?

Some mental health professionals would be over their heads in dealing with this, others wouldn't be.

I am more aware of the training issues of the medical community as it relates to trans people than you might think.

 

[Cute Tink]

You dismiss what I say, but don't have an argument against it? Typical.

That's ironic coming from what you have presented in this topic. Your post was absurd. That's all the response I need. Nobody is suggesting what you are throwing out as your third point.

 

[Cute Tink]

Fantasy vs reality. Kids have to learn that eventually, they need to differentiate between make-believe and reality, especially when they are interacting with other people.

I don't disagree with that.

But I was referring more to adults than kids with my question.

I'd prefer to stick to the topic of children in this case. There are other topics which deal with perspectives on adults.

 

[Aldebaran]

That's ironic coming from what you have presented in this topic. Your post was absurd. That's all the response I need. Nobody is suggesting what you are throwing out as your third point.

My third point being: They want everyone else to allow them to do whatever they please, even if it violates the law. So then they want laws changed, even if it makes people in society uncomfortable for the sake of their own comfort. Doesn't changing the law to allow men into women's restrooms sound very much like what I just said? So it's very much relevant, because it is exactly what is being suggested.

 

[bhsmte]

If only that were true. CPS has removed trans children immediately from homes and kept them away for 30+ days without any defining reason to suspect abuse other than the kid was trans. I've seen the stories from the parents when this happens. As I said before, there is a reason why there is a group that tells you how to build a binder of information to hand to CPS to keep this from happening.



I actually am more than aware. However, you think an average doctor (who probably doesn't have training to even medically treat a trans person through transition - medical schools often haven't covered the subject) is going to have the ability to properly evaluate whether a therapist is properly trained to handle the evaluation of gender dysphoria?



I am more aware of the training issues of the medical community as it relates to trans people than you might think.

Your average primary care physician, is fully capable, of determining which credentials and experience are required, when they refer patients for specific care or evaluation.

 

[bhsmte]

If only that were true. CPS has removed trans children immediately from homes and kept them away for 30+ days without any defining reason to suspect abuse other than the kid was trans. I've seen the stories from the parents when this happens. As I said before, there is a reason why there is a group that tells you how to build a binder of information to hand to CPS to keep this from happening.



I actually am more than aware. However, you think an average doctor (who probably doesn't have training to even medically treat a trans person through transition - medical schools often haven't covered the subject) is going to have the ability to properly evaluate whether a therapist is properly trained to handle the evaluation of gender dysphoria?



I am more aware of the training issues of the medical community as it relates to trans people than you might think.

Whether CPS has made mistakes or not, does not change the fact, that mandatory reporters, should not ignore signs that need to be investigated.

 

[Black Dog]

Are you thinking of the case of David Reimer? If so, he was not "forced to be trans", he was the victim of a botched circumcision and the parents and the doctor made the poor decision to attempt to raise him as a girl, which failed. This is a rather effective case that demonstrates you cannot actually do what you are claiming the parents are doing in this case.

Genital mutilation is a disgusting thing. It's beyond me how religions still get away with doing this to babies. Why not wait until these people are adults, when they can make up their own minds?

 

[Cute Tink]

My third point being: They want everyone else to allow them to do whatever they please, even if it violates the law. So then they want laws changed, even if it makes people in society uncomfortable for the sake of their own comfort. Doesn't changing the law to allow men into women's restrooms sound very much like what I just said? So it's very much relevant, because it is exactly what is being suggested.

You are still missclassifying the situation, so no, I don't agree with your estimation of the situation.

Bolded part especially.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I'm glad they called CPS. Sounds like these gay parents are trying to force this little girl to be trans against her will.

The school didn't. The teacher that got fired did. I'm sure she had to force this child. To be what Christians want the child to be.

 

[Aldebaran]

You are still missclassifying the situation, so no, I don't agree with your estimation of the situation.

Bolded part especially.

So then you're for changing laws to accomplish the same thing.

 

[Cute Tink]

Your average primary care physician, is fully capable, of determining which credentials and experience are required, when they refer patients for specific care or evaluation.

Let me clarify my problem with my understanding of your position: You are suggesting that a medical doctor, without psychological training, be able to evaluate the credentials of a therapist chosen by the parents based upon his subjective criteria, arbitrarily dismiss the diagnosis of the therapist and assign the family to another therapist of his choosing. Then, if the parents don't agree with the doctor, report them so the government can do the same.

All based on a very loose determination of the child being "abused".

And you wonder why I might have a problem with it?

 

[Cute Tink]

Genital mutilation is a disgusting thing. It's beyond me how religions still get away with doing this to babies. Why not wait until these people are adults, when they can make up their own minds?

In the case of David Reimer, that did happen in 1966. As far as circumcision as a practice, that is beyond the scope of this discussion.

 

[Cute Tink]

So then you're for changing laws to accomplish the same thing.

I'm for having society discuss, case by case, to see what is considered appropriate for the society.

I just prefer such decisions are based in reality, instead of uninformed and unsubstantiated fears.

But this is off topic. The bathroom discussion has nothing to do with the day care case at hand.